Political badges should be banned from NHS uniforms

It doesn't matter what the belief is though, it's the fact they're expressing that personal belief at work. As you say they don't have to wear it, and it could be interpretated as bringing their whole selves to work. I'm not saying it's totally impossible I'm just curious how it would be worded to ban them. If you worded it as you say of "you can wear items you believe you need to wear" whether we agree or not what if someone does say they feel they need to wear a pin?

MNHQ don’t allow restricting people’s right to comment

Even as a public forum it's basic courtesy to not quote and respond to someone who asked quite clearly for you to not engage with them personally anymor. You didn't need to address me personally as a twat to be meaning me or people like me

But the belief is that they must wear a certain piece of clothing, whereas someone with pro-Palestinian beliefs does not believe they need to wear a pin. They do so to show off their beliefs.

Well this is just Identity Politics, in itself a “statement”.

What if someone’s identity is - I believe the term is - a “furry” ? Can they work as a healthcare person dressed as a cat or whatever?

There is no requirement for LGBTQ people or anyone else to wear a supporting lanyard or badge
There is a requirement for some religions to wear specific attire

theres a very big difference

Well this is a public forum. I didn’t call anyone personally a twat or arrogant.

This is not a situation that demands nuance - it’s somewhat of a binary issue.

Not sure when the opinion that healthcare providers should appear neutral became so controversial but it goes some way to explaining why seeking medical help is such an awful experience.

Of course but it's a personal belief, which is why legally it's already been explained it's hard to ban one belief without banning another.

Was it not you then but nother poster who's aid they had fears they would be deliberately singled out and compromised?

It is true, patients can request a change of clinician for any reason. They may wait a while for an alternative doctor..I already explained very clearly upthread that if you're don't want to see a clinician for any reason you're entitled to ask for another but you shouldn't be abusive or rude or argue with the clinician about the characteristics you don't like about them. Whole we shouldn't face abusive and discrimination we do all the bloody time! Patients still need treatment and get treated. For as arrogant and selfish as some people on this thread think we are, we regularly care for people respectfully as they abuse us because the hospital isn't going to kick the patient out that needs medical care. If a racist wants to wait for a white nurse.to come on shift they're welcome to wait for example, do you think the hospital actually removes people?

They aren't able to do their job though. If its a truly held belief then banning a hijab would result in those women just not working for the health service. In theory it could be a plain NHS version of a hijab as long as it provides the same level of cover.

I agree that there needs to be a balance as another poster suggested. Health workers shouldn't be required to deny their protected characteristics, answer intrusive questions, or be discriminated againat by patients, but that's not what's being asked of them.

I do not think I’d be targeted for deliberate subpar care if you mean me. I think being confronted with a triggering badge means I will experience subpar care because of how I feel, not because there’s some sort of conspiracy against me. If my son doesn’t trust his GP and hides in a corner, then what I experience will indeed be subpar, not because anyone actually did anything, just because of my children’s lived experiences of that flag.

Do you work in a hospital because your statement simply isn’t true

the UK, NHS hospitals operate on a zero-tolerance policy regarding discrimination. You cannot request a doctor based on their race, as this is considered an unreasonable and discriminatory request. Hospitals are legally and ethically obligated to protect staff and provide care without accommodating prejudice

They shouldn't be ignored actually. Whether they dont want to see someone for a bigotted reason or not is still an issue of consent and they are allowed to see someone else. Likewise if someone is racist and doesn't want a black doctor.

The two are different of course
but many women especially feel threatened by the rainbow symbol because of how it has been used to demonise GC women

so yes
It can cause fear

If OP wants to change the title to just about support for certain countries at war then she/ he can

I don't understand your point, they are allowed to request any staff member they wish. Patients care is priority as I said, that's about how they're treated. The idea that staff are robots who aren't also entitled to be themselves in any way within the contract of their employment. By your standards how do we be as neutral as possible then? What, that we're currently allowed, should be banned? Tattoos? Piercings? Religious items?

How could someone wearing an LGTB lanyard cause racism and fear?

It’s very different to visibly taking a side in a war and OP did specifically mention increased antisemitism and fear amongst Jewish patients.

Homophobes would be ignored
Men and women can request same sex personal care when dignity and privacy is an issue

Apparently that's what they should be doing according to PP rather than us wearing lanyards.

Some people do object to it our of homophobia though. The face you object to it for a other reason doesn't change that. Apparently it doesn't matter why the patient objects, they can be upset by anything and we should be completely neutral in order to not offend or upset a single person. I find your posts very rude and aggressive to be honest, I'd rather if you don't engage with me anymore since you haven't responded to any of the nuance I've brought up about why it's hard to ban pins in a legal way and instead keep calling people arrogant, twats, etc

This isn’t about your preferences though
There are procedures for patients who want certain care for dignity and privacy
Outward statements of your politics are not necessary and intimidating to some people
Patients come first

Do patients really do that? Ask for a straight member of staff or demand to know the sexuality of everyone treating them?

It seems a very odd (and abusive) thing to do when you're a patient seeking help.

Of course they believe that, I'm saying it could be argued they're bringing their personal religious opinion into work. They are physically all able to do their jobs without these religious items..they don't need a hijab on to be a doctor. If it was argued they absolutely have to have a head covering of some sorts surely the NHS could have a neutral head covers that aren't associated with particular religions. I'm only asking you explain clearly how a bad would be worded on pins and being neutral that can't also be argued for these items by a patient. PP already said she believes as a Jewish person she will be deliberately targeted for subpar care, how do we know others don't also feel that if their HCP has a hijab on and they suspect Muslims mean them harm?

I'd rather wear a lanyard that if a homophobic patient doesn't want to see me they can ask from afar "not that one please" than the homophobe asking each staff member individually if they're gay thanks.

I disagree, the people that wear these items do so as they believe it is a requirement of their religion. Just because not every Jewish man chooses to wear a kippah, doesn't make it any less of a need for those that do. If a doctor would not work without an item of clothing for religious reasons, it should not be banned because you'd be excluding them based on a religious requirement.

Comparatively, I've not seen anyone explain how not being able to wear a pin would prevent them doing their job (even if they'd prefer to do it with one).