Political badges should be banned from NHS uniforms

I live in the UK. We are not like those places. Yet.

Enough fearmongering will get us there.

OK, so you need a rule that can distinguish them. Your rule is “is the team fine with it?” That doesn’t do it.

Still interested what badges you think the doctors of Salem or Lafayette (or Berlin for that matter) would have worn.

So where's the line? Who decides what is okay to wear and what isn't?

Yes you did

I have not :)
I do not think the identity badges we are discussing are the same as 'literal Nazis'

No, a Free Palestine badge does not imply someone is antisemitic and indeed they may be Jewish

Well no, you've painted yourself into a corner where you'd have to support NHS workers wearing swastikas if the team is okay with that.

No, you have seen me use it here to describe this whole carry on where people who want to divide and rule have a vested interest in others being fragile and frightened

Misreading
I was talking not about badges but about people feeling more 'comfortable' being a slippery slope
I prefer equity and education

Agree

So are we including no poppies?

And nobody is saying anything is literal violence - in fact the only time I have heard or seen that phrase is in connection with misgendering/dead naming

I wouldn’t assume that someone being of a particular religion or sexuality would make any difference to the way they do their job. For example there are plenty of gay people who don’t support the trans lobby.

Why are you refusing to see the difference between someone’s sexuality/religion and their desire to share their political beliefs?

Someone being Muslim does not imply they have a problem with a Jewish patient. Someone displaying the Free Palestine badge does potentially imply that.

I dont want to risk treatment from someone who is showing they have an issue potentially with me not aligning with their values.

How a Dr describes their sexuality is of absolutely no relevance to the patient. Why would it even come up?

You lost me at 'queer'.

You posted earlier about women being burned as witches and black people being lynched and how badges must be permitted in order to prevent this. You made the link yourself (tenuous in my view, but not yours).

What badges do you think the doctors of Salem or Lafayette would have worn?

I think all public sector employees should be shown as impartial thus ban all badges, lanyards etc.

I cannot remember how I knew they were but definitely remember chatting about festivals with the Muslim doctor.

I can remember their beards and their kind eyes and gentle body language but not what the identity tells were.

Actually it's arguable whether they do or do not. The networking is for personal reasons not professional. If you wish to effect change to a policy, there are other mechanisms for that - these groups do not have any control or power to do that.

In the CS you are no longer allowed to have networking type groups meetings etc during working hours. It's for you to use your personal time on if you wish.

You can’t complain when you are too frightened to engage.

And the complaints procedure is absolutely useless. I know, I have tried.

Being Muslim or gay is what people are. I wouldn’t be narrow minded enough to assume they felt one way or the other about something.

Wearing badges is what people think.

If I fear seeking advice about gyne issues because someone is wearing a trans flag, then is that what I deserve?

Because I have just had some worrying results from cervical screening due to delaying my test for so many years due to the fear of engaging with someone who doesn’t know what a biological woman is.

But, ya know, one less person with a different opinion.

If a patient suffered an adverse event or felt/did suffer due to a clinicians poor care, and the clinician was wearing a sign of support for a cause which the patient did not support or could reasonably be thought to oppose, would this not be a greater problem for the complaints officer?

Ie a jewish patient complains / sues due to malpractice and the accused person was wearing a Support Palestine badge. Or a black.person suffers when a clinician wearing a Reform badge attends them with a bad outcome?

again I agree. I am utterly uninterested in my doctor's political or social views and I expect my doctor to be equally uninterested in mine. I expect them to be a good doctor. Same with a plumber, electrician, gardener and so on.

I did not literally die when a Muslim doctor treated my mother or a queer doctor treated me.

Badges are not literal violence

I'd say no. Support networks for staff do not need to be advertised on uniforms and it should be a given within the NHS that everyone is treated equally in matters relating to their health.