Political badges should be banned from NHS uniforms

Personally I'd be happy to know because I'm then not unknowingly being seen by a reform voter.

So it's not about people's experiences then so it's irrelevant? Which one is it? 😂

Calling anti-war or pro-Palestinian marches “hate-filled” doesn’t make them so. Millions of people around the world have attended such demonstrations because they are horrified by the scale of civilian suffering in Gaza. You may disagree with them, but describing everyone who attends as motivated by hate is neither accurate nor serious. Ask why journalists are not allowed in. Ask why settlements carry on. Ask why there is a systematic attempt to erase what is happening. Ask why 800,000+ Palestinian olive trees have been uprooted, burned, or otherwise destroyed by Israeli authorities and settlers since 1967.
As for keeping moral convictions out of work, that’s your view. I understand it, but I don’t share it. I don’t believe healthcare workers become morally blank individuals the moment they put on a uniform.
The important question is whether they treat patients professionally, compassionately and impartially. I fully support that standard.
What I don’t accept is the idea that expressing opposition to war, mass civilian death, famine and the destruction of healthcare should automatically be treated as inappropriate simply because some people disagree with it. You can carry on attempting to deny, deflect or dehumanise what is happening to your hearts content. If you are someone who wears a red poppy think about what it truly represents. I will carry on with my Palestine pin and white poppy.

One thing I wonder, particularly about the Pro Palestine lobby. If you are so invested in the situation, how does a badge help in any positive way?

It’s an easy way to show support but it doesn’t require anything from the wearer. If you really feel that strongly why not do something positive? Go over there and help.

But it’s easier to get on with comfortable life while showing a flag so that people see you as a good person.

So, pro-badge posters, if you yourself went to the GP and saw a pro-life badge on her, or a Reform badge, would you nod appreciatively at their “right” to display a political opinion?

People need to drive to get places. There is zero need for you to wear a pin during work time.

Of course you can wear whatever you like outside of work.

I don't think I'm reaching. There is evidence to show that the pins make people uncomfortable, I've not been provided with evidence to show they make others more comfortable or improve their outcomes.

Following your scenario, other things should be done to make the lesbian feel comfortable irrespective of who is treating her. It certainly shouldn't be down to a pin. The baseline should be everyone feels comfortable and confident that they will be treated properly by all NHS staff, and evidently this isn't the case at the moment.

The disagreement over whether pro Palestinian marches are "hate-filled" is exactly why they shouldn't be worn in a healthcare setting, in my opinion.

Calling anti-war or pro-Palestinian marches “hate-filled” doesn’t make them so. Millions of people around the world have attended such demonstrations because they are horrified by the scale of civilian suffering in Gaza. You may disagree with them, but describing everyone who attends as motivated by hate is neither accurate nor serious. Ask why journalists are not allowed in. Ask why settlements carry on. Ask why there is a systematic attempt to erase what is happening. Ask why 800,000+ Palestinian olive trees have been uprooted, burned, or otherwise destroyed by Israeli authorities and settlers since 1967.
As for keeping moral convictions out of work, that’s your view. I understand it, but I don’t share it. I don’t believe healthcare workers become morally blank individuals the moment they put on a uniform.
The important question is whether they treat patients professionally, compassionately and impartially. I fully support that standard.
What I don’t accept is the idea that expressing opposition to war, mass civilian death, famine and the destruction of healthcare should automatically be treated as inappropriate simply because some people disagree with it. You can carry on attempting to deny, deflect or dehumanise what is happening to your hearts content. If you are someone who wears a red poppy think about what it truly represents. I will carry on with my Palestine pin and white poppy.

I have PTSD from an attack involving a car. I get triggered constantly when I hear one. It doesn't mean everyone is selfishly and intentionally triggering me when they drive past me. PPs child went through a horrific attack where there was a flag and appalling behaviour,.that doesn't justify PP wearing a tiny pin of the same flag

Well a homophobe would say my pin harms them, and a lesbian may feel more comfortable being open to me - why do you want me to weigh those up equally when it's not necessarily my intent to harm the homophobe but he's looking for something to be upset about meanwhile the lesbian patient actually usually feels uncomfortable trying to explain to their HCP why there's definitely no chance of pregnancy? You're reaching a LOT to make the assumptions and hyperbolic reaction of the offended into the intention of the wearer and if we follow your logic then people can state all other minds of symbols are deliberate selfish choices to make other uncomfortable.

Well a homophobe would say my pin harms them, and a lesbian may feel more comfortable being open to me - why do you want me to weigh those up equally when it's not necessarily my intent to harm the homophobe but he's looking for something to be upset about meanwhile the lesbian patient actually usually feels uncomfortable trying to explain to their HCP why there's definitely no chance of pregnancy? You're reaching a LOT to make the assumptions and hyperbolic reaction of the offended into the intention of the wearer and if we follow your logic then people can state all other minds of symbols are deliberate selfish choices to make other uncomfortable.

Does it not bother you that a previous poster has said that your actions would terrify her child because people have used that same symbol to attack them?

Does it not bother you that a previous poster has said that your actions would terrify her child because people have used that same symbol to attack them?

I’m non Jewish but it breaks my heart to see how the knuckle draggers are using this situation as an excuse to beat up, bully and kill innocent Jewish people in the UK.

I don’t know which side is ‘right’ in this conflict but seeing people being killed for their religion due to a war that is the other side of the world sickens me.

People saying they will keep wearing the pin, irrespective of the harm caused. They are saying they are happy to hurt others because they want to wear the pin. It undermines the justification that it is for the good of others and makes it seem like it is a purely selfish choice.

Calling anti-war or pro-Palestinian marches “hate-filled” doesn’t make them so. Millions of people around the world have attended such demonstrations because they are horrified by the scale of civilian suffering in Gaza. You may disagree with them, but describing everyone who attends as motivated by hate is neither accurate nor serious. Ask why journalists are not allowed in. Ask why settlements carry on. Ask why there is a systematic attempt to erase what is happening. Ask why 800,000+ Palestinian olive trees have been uprooted, burned, or otherwise destroyed by Israeli authorities and settlers since 1967.
As for keeping moral convictions out of work, that’s your view. I understand it, but I don’t share it. I don’t believe healthcare workers become morally blank individuals the moment they put on a uniform.
The important question is whether they treat patients professionally, compassionately and impartially. I fully support that standard.
What I don’t accept is the idea that expressing opposition to war, mass civilian death, famine and the destruction of healthcare should automatically be treated as inappropriate simply because some people disagree with it. You can carry on attempting to deny, deflect or dehumanise what is happening to your hearts content. If you are someone who wears a red poppy think about what it truly represents. I will carry on with my Palestine pin and white poppy.

If people don’t understand or care about Palestine, they’re welcome to ignore my pin.
That’s rather the point. A small badge isn’t forcing anyone into a political discussion. It’s simply there.
You seem to be arguing that because some people don’t care about an issue, nobody should be allowed to express concern about it. I don’t find that a very persuasive principle.

I am not paying my taxes and coming to hospital to discover your political orientation. I couldn’t care less. Actually, as a Jewish person, in your case I could care less. As a non-Jewish person I probably wouldn’t.

Ah so it’s okay to have the opinion for all to see as long as you think it’s well informed?

You miss the point that a lot of people don’t understand or care about the Palestinian situation. They don’t need or want to know your thoughts on it, however meaningful you think they are.

Who said they are opposed to that though? Just because they don't want to stop wearing a pin..would.you be happier if someone wore a Palestinian and Israeli pin together?

Because they're not really, depending on how you define a ban. Either you ban anyone wearing pins or badges solely and it has nothing to do with a political or social opinion, fine - but then what stops someone wearing a prom Palestine necklace? Or Palestinian earrings? So then it needs to be specifically about expressing a political opinion,.which btw has nothing to do with the political intention of the wearer and only the assumption from observers, which can include many religious items people perceive to be political.

And also the pro vax badge should not be worn by a healthcare provider. Again I am also pro vax. But you can stand up for every cause you like when you aren’t at work - it’s disturbing that professional people can’t get through a working day without showing everyone what a socially caring person they are