To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

In reference to it being commuted by a Sikh person. How is that insensitive.

Farage boys and girls? Wow. I tell you why Jones should wind his weasel neck in. He downplayed the rapes of Jewish women so I'm not really going to join in on his chorus of now using Sarah's murder to get at Farage. He's doing exactly why you're saying Farage is.

Yes it is. What I am saying is that it’s ironic because those going on about talking about this being divisive are politicising this just as much. If you think that people having an opinion on whether certain communities are policed lightly is divisive then that’s cool think that. But personally I don’t think that’s divisive. Everyone should be policed the same. I think that’s very much a non divisive opinion.

Apart from the fact that the murder of a young man has been described by the OP as "a one off" how insensitive.

Why should Owen Jones, a British political commentator and journalist, keep his nose out when right-wing, fascist adjacent Elon Musk can't shut up about British crimes and political issues that have nothing to do with him? Musk is always inciting hatred and violence against minorities.

None of the Farage fan boys and girls gave a second thought to the direct plea from Henry Nowak's father when he said that "we do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension". They just went out and did it anyway.

Oh, God forbid people concerned about a young man's senseless murder would inconvenience anybody.

Edit for spelling.

Yes... people were encouraged to take the knee for a career criminal and sex offender.
But when a young innocent white man is ignored by police in favour of the ethnic murderer... people can't get angry about that?
Are we only allowed to get angry if the victim is black and the perp. white?

At least the people who put the sign up aren't obstructing traffic and harassing people going about their business, I suppose.

No but somebody like Owen Jones needs to keep his nib out when he's jumping on the inciting hate bandwagon. OK for him to pipe up when he's got his own dodgy past concerning the rape of women.

People are outraged. See the picture. On the M8 in Glasgow hundreds of miles away. Just bigots, I suppose...

The bad apples taking part on marches are not responsible for policing the public.

This is the section of your previous post that I was responding to:

'Sarah's murder was by one disgusting police officer. Policing in Henry's case is a systemic issue, moulded by inadequate knee jerk guidelines. I don't think the police are full of Wayne Couzens, do you?'

There have been systemic issues of racism and misogyny in the police for decades.

I wouldn't be OK with anybody rioting. There were peaceful protests and vigils following Sarah Everard's murder with a very heavy handed response from the police.

A bit like the bad apples arrested on violent marches, who Jones has offered to bail out. Double standards just keep on coming.

Still using Henry’s death as a political football I see. Something that his parents have specifically asked not to happen. But you’re ignoring that like the hateful Farage because manipulation and winning are more important to you than caring about his family or his memory or genuinely fixing social issues in our society.

You can always tell those people who really care. Because they know there isn’t one simple answer. They know that causing divisions doesn’t help. They look at all potential solutions. They pull together and work collaboratively.

People like Farage and Trump couldn’t recognise collaboration if it hit them in the face. Because they’ve got to where they are by being divisive, by using their privilege, by playing the victim when it suits them and by victimising others when that suits them.

If you swallow all of their venom. If you play the same games they do then you’re not interested in the victims you just want to be top of the heap.

@1dayatatime but no-one is calling it two tier policing where ethic minorities are unfairly treated, more likely to be to stopped and searched etc That’s been going on for years. Where is Farage’s pure, cold rage for that?

Should people not be allowed then to discuss whether there is two tier policing.

Besides Derrick Campbell, director of the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), has warned that discussion of the case could risk prejudicing the investigation.

Are there any other political topics that you disagree with where you would like their discussion banned?

@Pippin2017 the talk of two tier policing is quite offensive to people who have suffered and still suffer from the racism, homophobia and misogyny that has been in the Police for years. It’s not like that has disappeared as if by magic.

The whole reason the 'DEI' (to use shorthand) initiatives were put in place in the first instance was due to deeply ingrained racism, misogyny and homophobia in the police. The police WhatsApp group Cozens was part of shows not much has changed. And there appears to be far more than just a single bad apple in that particular barrel.

I don't why some posters struggle with the concept that there are people who reject rioting whoever's doing it. You could save yourself a lot of time posting "but what about if X did it" if you could accept that.

Since many think Farage has some kind of superpower, if he had said cold hard rage was needed back then, all his critics would have welcomed that? If women had rioted, you would have been OK with that?

Your comments are straight out of the GB news bingo card of responses to anyone criticising Farage.

Change the record.

As the posts from some of the officers in the same WhatsApp groups as Wayne Couzens can attest, there are lots of police officers with the same vile views on women and minorities. Wayne Couzens wasn't just one bad apple.

Wayne Couzens and other Metropolitan Police officers participated in grossly offensive group chats (such as the one called "Bottle and Stoppers"). The chats contained racist, homophobic, and misogynistic messages, ableist jokes, and derogatory remarks aimed at women, people with disabilities, and domestic abuse victims.

Details of the content revealed in these Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) investigations included:

Sexual Violence & Misogyny: Members discussed raping and sexually assaulting women, including a female colleague. Couzens and others made light of domestic abuse victims. Another officer described physically restraining a 15-year-old girl as a "struggle snuggle".

Violence Toward Vulnerable Groups: Officers made jokes about Tasering children, animals, and people with Down's syndrome, with Couzens and others actively participating in the threads.

Racist Remarks: The group exchanged grossly racist views, making derogatory comments about diverse areas of London, referencing the Duchess of Sussex, and joking about Muslims in the context of terrorist bombings.

So it wasn't just 'one disgusting police officer', it was a whole culture of misogyny and racism.

As other posters have pointed out, after the murder of Sarah Everard, Nigel Farage posted the following comment:

'We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police.'

The difference in his reactions to these two tragedies is stark.

An excellent balanced post.

Did you not hear him stand up in Parliament and make a little speech, refusing to condemn the violence and saying that it would probably get worse?
The man's despicable.

I see Owen Jones is leading with the argument about Sarah Everard. That's not politicising a murder though? This would be the same Owen Jones who said he didn't see any evidence of rape on 7th October. Seems only some women matter when he's using it to score points. Sarah's murder was by one disgusting police officer. Policing in Henry's case is a systemic issue, moulded by inadequate knee jerk guidelines. I don't think the police are full of Wayne Couzens, do you?