To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

But why call people those names?
Is it because you don't like someone having a different opinion/voting a different way?
To shut down their opinion?

Who people vote for lies squarely with them. It’s nobody else’s ’fault’ or responsibility. Own your choices.

Yes of course, it's called a democracy.

I'd currently probably call myself politically homeless, we have a disappointingly weak PM and Labour have been a huge disappointment so next GE I might vote Conservative, I might vote Reform, who knows. What is certain is that I will absolutely own my voting choices and also respect the vote of others without the need to throw childish names around.

What is also clear from this thread is Farage is much disliked, clearly seen as a threat and some posters would rather like to see him locked up. Fortunately, we have freedom of speech in this country.

I loathe Farage, but either we have freedom of speech or we don’t. If we cancel that right, then it will affect a lot of protest groups.

Be careful what you wish for.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

You don't work in a company that exports, do you?

Funny then that we were swamped by people from EE and Spain and most young Brits went to U.S/Canada/Australia? If you are after a bar job, well yes it is not probably so viable now, if you have top banking or IT skills the company will have you in Frankfurt or wherever ASAP if you are genuinely needed, and of course you would need the language skills that most Brits don"t have, for most Brits the EU was always just a place to sit in the sun and drink alcohol, the idea that we have lost a great opportunity is for the most part just nonsense.

FOM was an opportunity, not damage.

A far bigger jobs market for British people to access.

What damage? By far the biggest damage came from FOM and mass immigration.

Precisely, and those are exactly the same types who support Reform. It’s always someone else’s fault. I always think of it like a toddler, ‘Mummy, that mean person called me Stewpid!! I’ll show them!!’ It’s pathetic.

Its like the incel argument isn't it? "I'm an insane rapey creep because women don't want to date insane rapey creeps like me"

So, enlighten me then. Someone endorses Reform and people don’t agree and call them stupid/a flag shagger/ a gammon/ insert any other insult. They then claim that will push them to vote for them, but if they weren’t endorsing them in the first place, they wouldn’t be called those names. They were clearly always a supporter regardless, were they not? Make it make sense, please?

Who people vote for lies squarely with them. It’s nobody else’s ’fault’ or responsibility. Own your choices.

Your post.

Considering the damage done to the UK by Brexit, and the complete lack of understanding of the consequences by many who voted to leave the EU, I'm not sure this is the hot take you imagine.

@1dayatatime so you don't agree with the detailed reports/reviews that have said there is institutionalised racism in the Police? And the rates you show above with 35% Black and 34% White, do you think that correlates with the whole population split of ethnicities in this country?

I think I do understand the references to 2016 and the name calling. We don't want to facilitate the pushing of people into polarising positions. Name calling can reinforce that.

Agree. I never get this argument

That doesn't surprise me.
You aren't getting it and it's clear from your post. 🤷‍♀️

I wish they would spell his name correctly

It would undoubtedly be racist if you start from the premise that all ethnicities commit criminal acts in exactly the proportion as each other.

Alternatively it could be that different ethnicities commit different levels of crime- there maybe a multitude of different reasons for this such as low incomes, unemployment, single parent households etc. My unsubstantiated position is that if you took a group of young males with poor education that are not in employment then there wouldn't be a lot of difference in the arrest rate due to ethnicity.

Besides if there is institutional racism then why doesn't this show up in the custody rate after conviction?

Where did you get that figure from???

@1dayatatime do you not see that as racism (based on the percentage of these ethnicities in general population) and the fact that there have been reports that the police are institutionalised racist. But why isn’t that called two tier policing, why hadn’t Farage called that out? You can be racist against a particular ethnicity so don’t threat them all the same.

Agree. I never get this argument. People who claim that it pushes people to vote Reform were always going to do so anyway regardless of whether they’re called stupid or any number of names. And, ironically, if they vote for a party purely based on the fact that they have been called stupid and not because they agree with their policies, then they are, in fact, stupid 😂

It’s like an abuser throwing a punch and then screaming, ‘Look what you made me do!’ They don’t like taking accountability for anything. It figures really when they follow someone like Farage.

Black people account for 75% of arrests. I’d be astounded if they commit 75% of crime.

Maybe because different ethnic groups have different arrest rates or do you see this as a result of racism. If so why do Asians have a lower arrest rate than Whites?

Oh I thought this thread was about Farage - silly me for taking the thread title literally.

Of course it's not spot on. It's a huge logic fail. How can calling people who support Reform names be responsible for making them support Reform, when if they didn't support Reform already, they wouldn't be called the names?
Besides, even if it were true, surely it would work both ways, and all the moderates called naive, woke, snowflake, virtue signallers, pearl clutchers etc, for speaking against Reform, would be pushed to the left. So it would all even out.

This is spot on, it is exactly the same approach and it seems many have not learnt the lesson of 2016.

And their favourite accusation is that others are thick - the irony