To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

Henry Nowak's death is an absolute tragedy which could have been avoided. However Farage's use of the death of a teenager (and absolutely against Henry Nowak's family's wishes) to incite violence and unrest is reprehensible and he should be ashamed. I think Farage doesn't feel rage, but glee that his followers are in a violent frenzy.

This tragedy occurred because of this country's history of racism, homophobia and misogyny.

i would never vote for Farage however an increasing number of people are saying they will. Many feel
there is 2 tier policing and despite documents coming out proving it over the past few days, the government still deny it. The post up thread about the police speaking to Imams/community leaders being the right way to go. Why is it acceptable that a group is treated differently to others? A group that doesn’t share our cultural values and seem to hide behind their religion, demanding religious rights and special treatment. Another group, the Sikh community, using their religion to carry knives around as it’s their right. People see how the rape gangs were, and still are not, being dealt with properly, I could go on.

Whether people like it not the support for Farage and reform is growing. There has been too much immigration, too fast with not enough integration. Too many arriving expecting the UK to allow them to live under their own rules. We have enough bad people (normally men) without importing the thousands we have bringing with them their medieval practices and beliefs. Not all of them but enough that it’s had a massive impact on society.

I don’t like Farage but other politicians and equally as bad.

It is so immature to keep referring to people who are condemning Farage as ''lefties'' .

It is not about left or right, it is about common decency and not wanting some grifter to poison communities with his hate propaganda.

Kemi Badenoch criticised Farage for playing politics yesterday. She is hardly a ''lefty''...

I’m amazed he’s not in jail.

We are repeating the exact pattern of behaviour witnessed in America over the last few years. Every time Trump was charged with a crime, his popularity increased.

Arresting Nigel just serves to martyr the reprobate. He represents the people, he is what the people want, let them them have it.
I think we give him far too much air time and, as my wise old grandmother used to say - what you feed, grows.

For me, I wasnt a big fan of Farage but he has made himself more electable for me by talking truth to power. Politicians over the past 30 years have made a complete mess of this country and made us all alot more unsafe (as well as poorer) - Starmer etc couldn't care less as he has security and a good plated pension. I could weep when I compare the 90s to now and yes I do blame our leaders as other countries that pursued other policies are more cohesive, safer and richer as we should be. They would love us to not talk about all this, well tough (and it's not just the working classes who are angry btw).

It’s not doable for police in a chaotic scene and leads to horrendous outcomes such as Henry’s death.

It needs to actually be without fear or favour.

So how did you feel after watching the bodycam footage of Henry Nowak being handcuffed and let to die.

Personally and as a parent I felt so so sad that his last moments of life were pleading for help and being ignored whilst the police were more concerned with the false racism claims of his murderer.

And yes that makes me angry, not in a hot headed way that wants me to riot or throw a statue into Bristol Harbour. But in a simple cold rational measured way.

So in terms of Farage's remarks, do I feel "rage" or anger then yes, do I feel this rage in a cold rational way then yes. Do I feel this "cold rage" in a measured or pure way then yes.

So in summary I think Farage's request to react with "pure cold rage" exactly sums up how I feel. Is this an incitement to violence then I would say it's the exact opposite.

I certainly don't feel like reacting with the irrational, hot headed violence associated with the Black Lives Matter protests.

I heard the speech and as I recall he said that Henry Novak’s awful death illicited a feeling of white cold rage. And it does. Just like George Floyd’s death did in the US. People are understandably angry and yet they are faced with a government and establishment that appears indifferent and couldn’t care less.

I‘m no Farage fan and will not be voting reform but I can see why people do - at least he understands and acknowledges people’s deep frustration and emotional response.

Wanting to lock Nigel Farage up for ‘saying things’ is the ultimate fascist irony.

Exactly this.

Anyone arguing that the justice system is somehow unfair to white people is ignorant of the challenges that ethnic minorities face in this country.

I am white, my partner is not. And I am fully aware that life in Britain is more challenging for them that it is for me - due to the colour of their skin.

There have been other cases of deaths in police custody, are they all due to diversity training? Or could some officers just be incompetent and lack empathy?

It looks like a reasonable commitment PROVIDED you believe that it’s going to work.

But what if it doesn’t work, and what it actually produces is a dying boy handcuffed because you’ve built in a bias towards believing a guy who turns out to be the murderer?

😬

Why do you assume that those who disagree with you support violence in BLM protests? I certainly don't. That is why I condemn Farage for very deliberately inciting violence.

Exactly.

I have no idea how anyone can defend these nazi-loving thugs when this country has done so much to defeat Fascism...

I have never justified rioting however ,people have the right to protest. Or do only lefties have that right?

This looks like a reasonable commitment from the police in this statement?

Farage is in it for Farage. He incites his thuggish followers. He appeals to the racist mob.

Does anyone remember why these rules were brought into policing? Does anyone remember Stephen Lawrence? Does anyone remember the Met being institutionally racist (and also homophobic and misogynist), as were all police forces up and down the country. Measures were brought in to try and tackle the horrendous racism, homophobia and misogyny within the police service.

And I'm not sure why Starmer is to blame for everything, even stuff that went on years before he was PM (grooming gangs etc). He has received so much more criticism than the Tories over this, for some reason - it's so obviously a targeted hate campaign against Starmer, whipped up by bad actors using anything they can to incite violence and cause division.

lulz

I'm a registered Democrat.

Were people on MN and the likes of Farage, Tommy Robinson etc talking about pure cold rage when two tier policing was the other way round and white people were less likely to be stopped and searched etc. The prison population in UK pretty much shows two tier policing as the percentage of ethnic minority prisoners is much higher than the percentage of the population in UK as a whole. When the police were shown to be institutionalised racist was Farage talking about pure cold rage?

Not sure why anyone is too worried about Farage. He is literally all talk, just like Boris, the rhetoric about immigration is just a tactic to get in to power.

If Reform get in it will just be Tory's with a slightly different coloured rosette, maybe a little more posturing but business as usual otherwise, with an added side of incompetence.

The one I am really worried about is Lowe and Restore. I hate everything he stands for, but he seems to genuinely stand by and personally believe in his causes. Now that, I find terrifying.

"And kids, 5 new Reform voters were created with a single post."

What is really worrying is the percentage of people who think you are being unreasonable. 😱

What has sentencing policy got to do with policing policy?

If you actually want to know the background to the rape case sentencing, listen to this - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002x5h1

Have I missed anyone saying action shouldn't be taken?
Or perhaps you just mean riotous actions
No thanks. I'll align with his parents wishes whilst you justify rioting
On the other thread one of your cronies even posted something from a dubious X poster saying his parents should be ignored
Dont pretend you have his family in mind