To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

Actually white people are 4 times more likely to be arrested than Chinese people- which on @BIossomtoeslogic must mean that the police are institutionally racist towards white people compared to Chinese people.

Also Black Other are four times more likely to be arrested than Black Africans and twice as likely as Black Caribbean. @BIossomtoes- is there a specific type of "blackness" that the police are institutionally racist against?

Just like British politicians sticking their nose into the George Floyd affair.

Since when do ambulances arrive in minutes ?

My personal view is that there is both.

There is undoubtedly ‘old-school’ racism and bias (eg Charing Cross tapes, the revelations that came out after Sarah Everard, etc).

Also plenty of examples of police failing to be neutral on ideological or identity grounds, eg turning a blind eye to grooming gangs in Rotherham, one-sided policing of GC/trans issues, painting their cars in Pride colours, senior officers taking the knee during BLM, accepting open criminality at Notting Hill Carnaval that would probably have any other event shut down, etc.

To me that is all genuinely two-tier policing based on which causes are politically fashionable. I think it is also very bad policing.

Just like British politicians sticking their nose into the George Floyd affair.

My personal view is that there is both.

There is undoubtedly ‘old-school’ racism and bias (eg Charing Cross tapes, the revelations that came out after Sarah Everard, etc).

Also plenty of examples of police failing to be neutral on ideological or identity grounds, eg turning a blind eye to grooming gangs in Rotherham, one-sided policing of GC/trans issues, painting their cars in Pride colours, senior officers taking the knee during BLM, accepting open criminality at Notting Hill Carnaval that would probably have any other event shut down, etc.

To me that is all genuinely two-tier policing based on which causes are politically fashionable. I think it is also very bad policing.

dreamreal, yes, his comments after Sarah Everard's murder were very telling.

"We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman to turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police.”

After Jo Cox's murder, his comment on the Brexit victory 'without a shot being fired'.

This. Nobody will ever convince me that black men commit 2.4 times as many crimes as white men. We know black people experience far more stop and search. We know the police are institutionally racist and yet Farage would try to convince us that two tier policing favours people of colour.

My personal view is that there is both.

There is undoubtedly ‘old-school’ racism and bias (eg Charing Cross tapes, the revelations that came out after Sarah Everard, etc).

Also plenty of examples of police failing to be neutral on ideological or identity grounds, eg turning a blind eye to grooming gangs in Rotherham, one-sided policing of GC/trans issues, painting their cars in Pride colours, senior officers taking the knee during BLM, accepting open criminality at Notting Hill Carnaval that would probably have any other event shut down, etc.

To me that is all genuinely two-tier policing based on which causes are politically fashionable. I think it is also very bad policing.

@GeneralPeter I suppose my question is, if it is acknowledged there is racism in the police, why is that now ignored or seen as lesser than ‘two tier’ policing. And if there is still a high level of racism can there truly be two tier policing. Maybe there is just bad policing. Why are people only protesting about two tier policing?

No it’s not the same thing BUT, if they had listened to the victim, they could have had an ambulance there in minutes. That would have given him a better chance of survival.

“Salty”.

He is completely wrong. Henry Nowak’s family have called for his death to not be used for political gain.

The case of George Floyd was entirely different. He was murdered by a police officer. Whatever happened in his life, he did not deserve to be murdered by police.

Henry Nowak was stabbed by a man, who then lied to the police. The police responded with pure incompetence but it’s not the same thing, is it?

Just who we don't need to interfere, the inept VP poking his nose in to stir trouble:

In his post, Vance described the killing as "tragic as it is enraging", saying that Nowak would still be alive today "if the last few generations of European elites had stood their ground against the politics of self-hatred and the mass invasion of migrants".

Downing Street hits out at 'people seeking to stir division' after Vance's Nowak post - BBC News

Just who we don't need to interfere, the inept VP poking his nose in to stir trouble:

In his post, Vance described the killing as "tragic as it is enraging", saying that Nowak would still be alive today "if the last few generations of European elites had stood their ground against the politics of self-hatred and the mass invasion of migrants".

Downing Street hits out at 'people seeking to stir division' after Vance's Nowak post - BBC News

Much as I loathe Starmer, that is not true.

It has been acknowledged that there is racism in police forces and this results in higher numbers of black people being stopped and searched etc, why are people denying this happens?

Why would that multiple be beyond the bounds of belief? (Per capita, obviously).

If Chinese are being arrested at less than half the rate of whites, as they are, does that indicate police racism towards whites?

These are all different groups with different age profiles, in different places, with different economics, cultures, risk factors etc etc. Why wouldn’t that show up in the data?

@Namingbaba I don’t think people are expecting arrest rates to be completely proportionate but when one is so heavily skewed surely it’s obvious that something is wrong in the policing system. And that is still happening so why aren’t people shouting about that, why isn’t that described as two tier policing?

This. Nobody will ever convince me that black men commit 2.4 times as many crimes as white men. We know black people experience far more stop and search. We know the police are institutionally racist and yet Farage would try to convince us that two tier policing favours people of colour.

It seems entirely backward to expect proportionate arrest rates across different races when we know that socioeconomic hardships, as one example, play such a massive role in who ends up in the justice system. For example, the reason you don't see many Japanese immigrants in jail for robbery isn't because the police are letting them get away with it. It’s just because they come from a group that commits those crimes at a much lower rate. If someone commits a crime they should be arrested. We seem to want the police to solve this issue when it should be dealt with much earlier.