To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

I worked in police admin in a busy inner city police station. I was at the front desk dealing with a man who came in about some lost property. As I was dealing with form filling he told me how he'd love to be a police officer but had no chance as he was a white male. I said apply and he said he had but was turned down as only black men were being recruited. I said that's funny as Ive just been signing out pocket books and telling their shift patterns to a group of new recruits. The majority were white men, one Sikh, two Afro Caribbeans and a white woman. He said he didn't believe me. So white man making out he's a victim.

People complaining about a thing they don't like isn't unusual. Lot's of men pushed back against Me Too because it 'went too far' or 'you can't say anything nowadays without being accused of sexual harassment'. I'm not suggesting that policies can't be critiqued, I'm saying that I doubt very much that this case is entirely, or even predominantly, about 'diversity policies'. You and others think it is. I'm sure you all have your reasons for believing that.

I note that many people have directed their anger to asking for considering that the sentence, given to Digwa, was too lenient. So, the Attorney General is currently considering this. This is a legitimate way of directing rage - especially if people think there are aggravating factors.

As someone from a family of immigrants and married to the son of an immigrant i count anyone born in Great Britain to be British along with anyone that respects our heritage and laws and who chooses legally to become part of our great Union.

Yes, he stabbed them to death. It's all on him.

Take a good long look at this picture

It might be a failure of policy, if that policy has told you to treat someone from an ethnic minority in such a way that leads you to have unconscious bias as seems to have happened here. In this case, that meant the police attended the scene assuming they already knew the facts - that Digwa was the victim because he said he had been racially abused.

But equally, saying it's not down to diversity policies is also misleading. We need to know whether these policies cause harm or not. Or whether they introduce benefits or not. We don't seem to know. That's wrong.

We do know what the feedback is from people using it. There’s been plenty over the last few days.

You are misunderstanding the guidance.

If someone threw bacon at me it would be a disgusting act but it would not offend me in the same way as it would someone who was Jewish or Muslim. That is the purpose of the guidance, to advise officers to take into consideration cultural differences. There is similar guidance to remind officers about disabilities and looking beyond what is presented. For example asking a person who has MS or Parkinson disease to prove sobriety by walking in a straight line & arresting them when they are unable to do so. Or requesting an adult complies with a set of instructions and arresting them when they fail to do so because the officer had not appreciated that the adult actually had profound special needs and a comprehension age of a 7 year old. Or turning up at a fight and arresting someone who isn't complying with instructions without realising that the adult is deaf and their hearing aids have been snatched from them and damaged. Or arresting a woman for being drunk and disorderly because she couldn't walk straight and was slurring her words without appreciating that the woman was sober but a stroke victim. These are all real life examples.

I do not envy the police their job, it is an incredibly difficult one. However, on this occasion a disgusting human being murdered another and used any excuse he could think of to avoid arrest. The job of the police officers was to assess the situation and act appropriately, they failed in this task. That is not a failure of policy, it is a failure of humanity.

It just means we don't know.

Yep we don't know, which makes me question the motives of those who are so keen to lay it all, so quickly, at the door of diversity policies. Who benefits from that I wonder.

Yes, he's not a nice man. My DH dislikes him with a passion.

I don't think they do.

I asked OP if they'd checked the definition. They never got back to me.

Does everyone know what 'cold rage' means? If there is a time for cold rage, this is it.

None of that means diversity policies didn't make them act the way they did. It just means we don't know.

The policies should be able to be evaluated for impact and effectiveness. If they can't be, the policies need to be rewritten. The Hampshire one I saw on TV yesterday was gobbledegook - except for the last line where it said ethnic minorities should be treated differently. That was pretty clear to me.

It’s worth listening to police who have to work with the policies and what they say on it.

It’s not possible to use equality of outcome in a chaotic crime scene. It leads to bad outcomes such as for Henry.

There are still major mistakes with process but the training too needs to be addressed.

Because it ignores every other factor, it ignores the fact that suspects have died because of police incompetence before, it fails to demonstrate any connection between how these specific officers behaved and any 'diversity training' they may have had.

We don't know why the police behaved as they did. Some people will jump on 'diversity policies' because they don't like diversity policies. Generally these will be the same people who won't accept that the police have a longstanding problem with endemic racism (and indeed misogyny), which necessitated the introduction of such policies.

If that was aimed at me, you should maybe pause to ask people what they think rather than making assumptions. I agree we're allowed to be angry and I am angry at politicians.

So long as Polanski is his cellmate

Scratching my head over that one!

In the Harehills riots, the police 'retreated' to avoid conflict with the crowds.

In Southampton, this did not happen.

Why?

What about the lawyer acting for the HO. HE failed to present a convincing argument, HE failed to secure a deportation order, HE failed those girls.

Do you think that the lines from the constabulary's own diversity training course have been made up then?

Maybe you haven't bothered to open a newspaper-any newspaper-to actually read them.

That does seem to be the case but I can tell you that millions have read them, have understood them and are appalled that in this country police are being told that

"It does not mean treating everyone the same or being colour blind (racial equality."

That quote from The Police Anti Racism Commitment document was even quoted in The Guardian and it is fucking outrageous.

The shit of ethnic minorities stinks the same as the shit of a white man-they are not angels sent from on high who must be believed the minute they accuse someone of racism.

That, at the moment, is the case. There's plenty of division.

However, unsophisticated people like you, maybe a little bit dim, keen to be seen as politically correct, wanting a pat on the back, easily manipulated, still keep spouting the same old shite that they have been told to say even when The Guardian has to report the total dangerous bollocks contained in the Police Anti Racism Commitment Document.

Luckily, you and others like you-albeit vocal-are fast becoming a minority as the rest of are starting to wake up and are no longer frightened of being called, racist, far right or other lower 6th form insults.

We say do not give black or brown criminals special treatment and if that's racist well, so be it. We don't give a fuck.

In certain Glasgow neighbourhoods, Police Scotland are terrified of Pakistani gangs, won't stop and search them, and treat them with kid gloves. Meanwhile, indigenous youths are fair game.