To be pissed off at housing tenants

You're very privileged then.

My daughter's life has been made a misery since the council bought one of the flats in the (converted Victorian house) block where she lives. She struggled to buy her flat and worked incredibly hard on it, fitting a kitchen herself and repairing the parquet flooring - and creating a little garden out of the scruffy courtyard.

Then the council bought the neighbouring flat and put a drug addict, alcoholic, violent thief in there and all hell broke loose. He's aggressive, shouts at and threatens the other flat-owners, fights with local pub landlords and shopkeepers, creates horrendous mess all over the place and recently smashed all his windows in (including 2 which overlook her garden) - blood all down her wall - nice.

The whole block of flats is miserable and scared. His mates come at night (he deals quite openly) and while my daughter was away her window was smashed and her gate broken and the letter box wrenched off.

So if you don't know what a scummer is, I do hope I've helped you to understand.

I don’t know your full financial situation. But if you really can’t afford to live where you are then it might be worth getting a calculator out and doing some maths on Entitled to. You can put as much in pension as you want and it doesn’t count as income. Even without rent paid I worked out we would be only a few hundred worse off a month but would be able to massively boost our pension by tens of thousands a year. And that is as home owners. As renters you’re going to be quids in.

Unfortunately we are business owners so it gets very tricky for us. But as employees you should absolutely have a look at it.

Morally it’s potentially wrong. But we can only play the cards we have been dealt and Angela raynor for sure would be doing that.

Im sorry you cant find a property to rent that suits your family .
You seem to be taking your frustration out on people you have no way of knowing the truth about based on gossip.
Honestly with such a large amount of money available i suggest you look at buying rather than renting but even then you wont be able to dictate who your neighbours are.

You're not paying 40% tax. You might be paying 40% tax on SOME of your income.

If you're earning into the 40% tax band (and you say "we" so there's presumably two earners in the house) then you're in a position to save up and buy, you've just prioritised other things.

You don't actually know anything about this other family's story, and blaming them for your own poor planning is a lazy way out.

Why don’t you buy instead of renting? You’re clearly a high earner. But you chose to rent, which is not secure housing.

You’re not paying 40% tax. Tax is a progressive system.

A “nice area” should not be free of social housing, or do you want all the poor people sectioned off into one place?
Your nice area will have a lot less social housing than other areas, but you’ll be getting a lot more taxpayer money spent on where you live. It’ll be an in demand area because of good, well funded schools. The roads will be better taken care of, you’ll have better policing. Stop acting like you get nothing from tax payers.

And because they're on PIP, they'll be getting a free car!

i can understand why you’re pissed off OP, I would be too, but it’s the whole housing and welfare system to blame

Social/council housing isn't free, it's rented.

Fair play for single handedly paying the scummers rent.

Imagine how much more challenging their ASB would be if they were living on the street.

Ideally, your street.

Quote : "Whilst I am paying 40 percent tax and effectively homeless with 2 kids."

But you are not homeless. You live in a small flat Living in a small flat is not homeless. My family live in a small flat. And tax is progressive.

Quote : "I am basically paying for these people to live in a house i can not afford to live in myself"

Not really. Think of it this way. The tax you pay might be going towards missiles for the UK jets in the Gulf, or building a new road, or even going towards government subsidies paid to private rail operators.

Quote : "Am I a Mug? Should I move countries?"

I suppose that depends on lots of things. What country do you think is currently "getting everything right"?

After all, many countries do not have any social safety net at all. So you get whole families living in shacks on the edge of rubbish tips, and the rich are in gated communities with armed guards.

That's assuming the family in question are reliant on the social safety net of course.

Fuck it let’s just lock all of them in the work house eh? Or create ghettos? Sterilise them?

Seriously, They have to live somewhere.
You’re taking your frustration out on the wrong people, stop punching down!

btw not everyone that is in social housing doesn’t work. Me and dh both work full time, pay taxes but live in a housing association property. O we also have the nerve to have children. (We also are quiet, polite, clean, educated and raise our children brilliantly)

YANBU

Absolute Clampetts

Yanbu. This is the way the country is. And this is the reason for the rise of Reform. People are fed up with the current system. Maybe the new system will be worse who knows.

And the failure of successive governments to build social housing. When councils have a statutory duty to house homeless families, they often have no option but to place them in expensive private sector rentals.

A friend is in a 4-bed council house and her rent is £215pw, so a little under £900 a month. A 4-bed private rent here is £2,500 a month.

In the medium to long term, social housing more or less pays for itself.

Obviously you are going to get flamed in here because a large sector of MN genuinely don’t realise that people like you describe really do exist. Just like they live in areas that don’t have huge numbers of ethnic minorities that have changed the landscape completely and so there is no problem with migration. I’m lucky, I live in one of the former but I’m originally from one of the latter - and my sister still lives there. I hear you.

You do deserve empathy-and people who have actually lived next to certain families, or aren't rich enough to move might well get it,

'These people.' 'Absolute scummers.' 'Problem family.'

You're revealing a lot about yourself, none of it good, OP.

<hands op even bigger spoon>

I don't think that this family and social housing are the problem. It shouldn't be a you or them situation. You should both have somewhere suitable for your families to live. That your family don't is a failure on the governments behalf but it isn't this families fault. Housing shortages have become something of an issue in many countries from the UK to Canada to Australia and is something that does need to be tackled.

Don't let bitterness eat you up OP, direct your anger at the government where it belongs.

They will all be claiming PIP
For no reason
Whilst y
telling all and sundry about it.

Im confused it sounds like you are looking for a or vaye rental not council housing? Why would the council give you a house if you're not on the waiting list? If you really think it's not worthwhile working you would give up your job but you won't of course

I don't think sarky replies on MN are the reason the right and Farage are getting a foothold. If people decide how to vote on that basis, they are not very bright.

If the rent is that high then it’s likely you live in a very affluent area where social housing is limited. I know people that have waited 10 years for a council house stuck in a tiny flat after leaving an abusive relationship.
count yourself lucky that you don’t have to wait and can choose and afford to rent privately.