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AIBU to question religious exemptions and equal treatment under UK law?

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faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 03/06/2026 11:49

I thought carrying a weapon in the UK is illegal - for everyone except a trained police officer or solider?

Why is there a religious exemption for one religion to carry a weapon on our streets "in the name of tolerance"?

Rastafarians are not allowed to smoke cannabis legally, even in their own places of worship and homes. My Rastafarian nephew had to be home schooled. Not only was he not allowed to have dreadlocks, but he not allowed to wear a hair wrap to cover them, as the muslim girls were allowed to cover their hair. Appealing on religious grounds got them no where, they tried for 3 years!

Growing and smoking cannabis only harms yourself (unless you selfishly make others breathe it in), dreadlocks harm no one. Why are these not allowed when some can carry a bladed weapon? In an era when knife crime is disturbingly frequent?!

My view - if it is illegal no one can do it (knives, drugs) if it is legal anyone can (head scarf/dreadlocks)

AIBU to say all religions should be treated equally?

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SparklyHam · 03/06/2026 15:03

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 03/06/2026 14:41

@SparklyHam It uses a reinterpretation of the Christian bible

Yes.

But no doctrine, no scripture, no leaders, no churches or meeting places other than people's homes.

Started culturally in Jamaica in the 1930s.

But you want us to accept the vague interpretation of old testament verses to justify cannabis use and dreadlocks as to be seen entirely the same as established religions dating back from centuries or millenia ago with clear scripture and doctrine?

You'll have to try harder.

Paganpentacle · 03/06/2026 15:00

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 14:58

We must agree to differ.

Well hopefully you won't get stopped and searched when in the possession of a bladed instrument then...

Paganpentacle · 03/06/2026 14:59

wombat1a · 03/06/2026 14:58

It's very hard to cut open bags of feed and bales for the cattle without carrying a knife. When on the farm a knife goes in my pocket when I get dressed, it comes out when I get undressed. It gets used 20+ times a day. There is no way I can work on the farm without a knife in my pocket.

I have horses and I use a blade for similar reasons... but I don't need to carry it around the streets when I'm off the farm.

wombat1a · 03/06/2026 14:58

It's very hard to cut open bags of feed and bales for the cattle without carrying a knife. When on the farm a knife goes in my pocket when I get dressed, it comes out when I get undressed. It gets used 20+ times a day. There is no way I can work on the farm without a knife in my pocket.

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 14:58

Paganpentacle · 03/06/2026 14:55

Maybe so.
But not in the carrying of bladed weapons.

We must agree to differ.

Paganpentacle · 03/06/2026 14:57

I am a Pagan and, since many branches of Paganism include a respect for nature, including a belief that nature is ensouled with spirits, some practicing Pagans end up doing rituals and spells on public land. We try to do so as out of the way of other people, and as discreetly as possible - it's not always feasible to do it in our homes, and not everyone has a garden, and it's not as though there are tons of pagan temples around. Sometimes the ritual or spell might be a blessing of the land itself - my local Pagan Moot recently did a dressing of a local spring, which included a ritual.
I really don't want anything that makes the practice of paganism more difficult/impossible.

Same here... but I manage to do my thing without carrying an athame or blade around with me...

Paganpentacle · 03/06/2026 14:55

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 14:26

Oh my.
"We cannot have it".
I can and do have respect. For Sikhs. And Highlanders. And others.
More Sikhs, maybe fewer incels.
'We' should learn from them.

Maybe so.
But not in the carrying of bladed weapons.

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 03/06/2026 14:41

@SparklyHam It uses a reinterpretation of the Christian bible

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SparklyHam · 03/06/2026 14:37

Rastafarinism doesn't have doctrine or scripture.

It's recognised as a 'Religion' in the UK when it's more of a cultural way of life.

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 03/06/2026 14:28

Both should be banned

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 14:26

Paganpentacle · 03/06/2026 14:16

The Sikhs are epic people in general- agree.
However- we cannot have it so certain groups of people are allowed to carry bladed weapons about their person.
Some Christians have been told they cannot even wear a visible cross on a chain around their own neck,, and yet we have other religions allowed to wander round with knives.
Nope.
( I dont 'do' religion of any name, so I have no skin in this game. Although if I was to go about with an athame on show I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be allowed)

Oh my.
"We cannot have it".
I can and do have respect. For Sikhs. And Highlanders. And others.
More Sikhs, maybe fewer incels.
'We' should learn from them.

SorcererGaheris · 03/06/2026 14:23

ThereAreOnlyShadesOfGrey · 03/06/2026 12:43

it’s high time we restricted the practice of religion to the settings intended to do so. Churches, mosques, temples etc and in the privacy of your own home. But public religion has no place here. If carrying an 8 inch knife is illegal then carrying an 8 inch knife is illegal. The end. The reasons why are irrelevant.

And this has nothing to do with whether this has only happened once. Once is once too many especially when the law essentially facilitated it.

@ThereAreOnlyShadesOfGrey

I don't agree with that level of restriction. Secularism, both in idea, and in practice, doesn't mean that there cannot be any expression or practice of religion "in public", it means that religion must not mix in with government and public institutions - and vice versa, that the government must not interfere with religion.

France has a pretty strict form of secularism, but people are still able to publicly express their religion when out in public, if they choose. If a religious person is working at a particular place like a school, they have to remove religious clothing (and they can put it back on when they leave) - but there isn't a prohibition of everything religious in public.

I am a Pagan and, since many branches of Paganism include a respect for nature, including a belief that nature is ensouled with spirits, some practicing Pagans end up doing rituals and spells on public land. We try to do so as out of the way of other people, and as discreetly as possible - it's not always feasible to do it in our homes, and not everyone has a garden, and it's not as though there are tons of pagan temples around. Sometimes the ritual or spell might be a blessing of the land itself - my local Pagan Moot recently did a dressing of a local spring, which included a ritual.

I really don't want anything that makes the practice of paganism more difficult/impossible.

Paganpentacle · 03/06/2026 14:16

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 12:23

Sikhism developed partly aa a way of bridging divides between Hindus and Muslims. Community service and ethical behaviour to everyone, absolutely everyone, is a cornerstone of Sikhism. A small ceremonial knife is a reminder of the need to serve and protect, of non-toxic masculinity and of human dignity. It is the absolute opposite of 'carrying a knife' for violent intent.

If you know anything about Sikhs in the UK, you will know that they selflessly and tirelessly feed the poor, help white working class businesses under threat in riots welcome all to their celebrations, etc.

One single rogue man is not a reason to demonise an entire community non-Sikhs should be engaging with as a model of a positive future for Britain.

Meantime, secular violent martial arts classes go unchecked teaching people to kill with credit cards, pens, and mobile phones. Look at those instead. Pits of toxicity attracting no hopers and a breeding ground for paramilitaries.

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The Sikhs are epic people in general- agree.
However- we cannot have it so certain groups of people are allowed to carry bladed weapons about their person.
Some Christians have been told they cannot even wear a visible cross on a chain around their own neck,, and yet we have other religions allowed to wander round with knives.
Nope.
( I dont 'do' religion of any name, so I have no skin in this game. Although if I was to go about with an athame on show I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be allowed)

Besafeeatcake · 03/06/2026 14:00

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 12:23

Sikhism developed partly aa a way of bridging divides between Hindus and Muslims. Community service and ethical behaviour to everyone, absolutely everyone, is a cornerstone of Sikhism. A small ceremonial knife is a reminder of the need to serve and protect, of non-toxic masculinity and of human dignity. It is the absolute opposite of 'carrying a knife' for violent intent.

If you know anything about Sikhs in the UK, you will know that they selflessly and tirelessly feed the poor, help white working class businesses under threat in riots welcome all to their celebrations, etc.

One single rogue man is not a reason to demonise an entire community non-Sikhs should be engaging with as a model of a positive future for Britain.

Meantime, secular violent martial arts classes go unchecked teaching people to kill with credit cards, pens, and mobile phones. Look at those instead. Pits of toxicity attracting no hopers and a breeding ground for paramilitaries.

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Very eloquently put and so true.

Please do tell me if I’m wrong but my understanding is that they are normally once a few inches long, often blunt and under layers of clothing (so not out or on display). They are to protect others not themselves - the very nature of humanity.

Knowing Sikhs my understanding is that religion is not one where the entice people to join, are very charitable and will defend others.

This isn’t a religion based on large historical horribleness and shouldn’t be lumped into that category.

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 13:56

Ndd1356387 · 03/06/2026 13:54

Still not in the street though right? Or do they sew on the pavement? Me thinks you are being deliberately obtuse.

We are deliberately competent and like to read maps and wear serviceable rain jackets and so on. Iykyk. Yes, sewing fixes when needed in transit.

The sewing basket at home has the proper scissors.

Ndd1356387 · 03/06/2026 13:54

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 13:49

Food-related things usually. Peeling fruit, slicing bread, prising off bottle tops. Gardening- and flower-related. Sewing fixes, unpicking stitching or cutting loose ends etc. Small bits of DIY.

Never snip flower stems with scissors, cut with a sharp knife if you want them to last...it crushes them less so they do not rot as quickly.

Knives have a feminine aspect.

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Still not in the street though right? Or do they sew on the pavement? Me thinks you are being deliberately obtuse.

wishingonastar101 · 03/06/2026 13:52

People should not be allowed to cover their faces in public.
People should not be allowed to carry knives.
People should be allowed to do whatever they want with their hair.

Things that are dangerous should be managed by law. Hair should not.

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 13:49

Ndd1356387 · 03/06/2026 13:42

What? On the street? What do they use it for on the street? Interesting

Food-related things usually. Peeling fruit, slicing bread, prising off bottle tops. Gardening- and flower-related. Sewing fixes, unpicking stitching or cutting loose ends etc. Small bits of DIY.

Never snip flower stems with scissors, cut with a sharp knife if you want them to last...it crushes them less so they do not rot as quickly.

Knives have a feminine aspect.

Ndd1356387 · 03/06/2026 13:42

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 13:39

Women in my family tend to. It is a fabulous allpurpose tool.

What? On the street? What do they use it for on the street? Interesting

Ndd1356387 · 03/06/2026 13:42

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 13:34

Yes it is in the UK.

…..not really

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 13:39

Ndd1356387 · 03/06/2026 13:31

Ok so let’s let everybody carry a knife then…

Women in my family tend to. It is a fabulous allpurpose tool.

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 13:38

Gettingbysomehow · 03/06/2026 12:48

A ceremonial knife should be completely blunt.
Us wiccans use an athame in ritual and it is never allowed to be sharp - it has to be blunt as it is never used for cutting anything.
Once it has blood on it it must be destroyed. So we go out sometimes into the countryside with knives but mine would not even cut a blade of grass.
If these big old knives are just for ceremonial use then they should also be blunt. There is no need for anyone to be carrying sharp ceremonial knives.

I have a very sharp letter opener, and a Victorian hat pin.

JenJenOut · 03/06/2026 13:34

Araminta1003 · 03/06/2026 13:00

@JenJenOut - but in theory covering your head in medicine is more hygienic rather than less and the NHS could provide really long gloves for women who wish to cover their arms. They just don’t.

I wasn’t complaining about them covering their head. That doesn’t affect anything. It was the arms that are apparently classed as a serious cross infection risk but doesn’t apply if you say you can’t due to religious reasons. I’m not sure really long gloves would solve it at all. They would need to be removed straight after treatment and their arms would then be on show. Unless you mean they put the gloves over their long sleeves? That would be very difficult as they would be very tight and I imagine when putting on and taking off the gloves it would move their sleeves and I don’t think that would be acceptable.

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 03/06/2026 13:34

Ndd1356387 · 03/06/2026 13:30

Except it’s not their choice is it. Really.

Yes it is in the UK.

Ndd1356387 · 03/06/2026 13:31

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 03/06/2026 12:45

@JustAnUdea I don't necessarily want to ban anything, I just believe in equality.

Ok so let’s let everybody carry a knife then…

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