To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

Well men from Afghanistan are leaving their female relatives without a male protector. Women can't go out without men. Women can't work, so they'll starve to death if no male relatives. Women are probably more at risk of rape in Afghanistan than anywhere else - girls are essentially sold into sex slavery and this isn't even against the law! There is no coherent argument where leaving women behind in Afghanistan is the moral thing to do.

Great - very easy to say. Don’t forget it just meant they’d definitely all be tortured slowly then die.

If they fled they hoped it wouldn’t happen to their family if they weren’t there. If they got sanctuary in another country they hoped for family reunion.

Many wives tell their husbands to try for the family.

I can recommend reading ‘The Pianist of Syria’ - don’t be worried he came here, he went to Germany. It is a harrowing read and details the discussions he had with his wife - like is it better she goes with him and face definite rape or not.

Well said. Noticeable also with Ukranian refugees that the fit men stayed and fought and mostly it was women and children coming here.

Conclusions are not difficult to draw.

Sorry I just can’t listen to anyone desperately trying to think the best of Afghan men right now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

While that does happen in Afghanistan, it covers 4% of women who were married before the age of 18, and is becoming rarer as time goes on. It’s not a societal norm.

And what ages are you thinking about when you think of Afghanistan ?

Do you accept that men from way more misogynistic countries are more likely to be misogynists? Because if they’re not the ones oppressing the women in, eg, Afghanistan, then who is?

There are many urban myths in their home countries that British woman are so easy, them travel here to 'get lucky'.
Romanian lady who lives down my area saying they all watch Geordie shore, influencer blogs, old big brother and think many English women behave like that.

Guy at my old worksite is of Turkish-Cypriot extraction. Back on the island and mainland etc, a man accused of raping a woman is likely to end up dead. They sometimes rape special needs men instead as no one gets offed for that and no body cares.
Britain and Scandinavia are seen as soft places with easy woman and light jail time. Almost zero of these type of men will be killed or attacked for assaulting attractive women.
He was telling a few of us this and we couldn't believe it at first. Another person chimes in and said that's why Soviet soldiers were so feared in world war 2 and in Eastern European countries, as it was a license to rape many local women with no come backs. Do that in Russia, gulags in Siberia if you were lucky. This was still happening in 1983 in some Soviet satellite states.
Being born when USSR fell I never knew a fraction of this. Will have to do some reaches on my 'workbreak week' in August.

But looking at all migrants is the wrong data set. No one is suggesting that American/ Australian/ New Zealand/ Western European nationals have higher rates of sexual offending. People are concerned about offending from men from misogynistic cultures. You’d have to examine the data set from that group alone ( and decide if you were looking at legal or illegal/ asylum or all three) to see if claims of higher rates of offending were true. And then delve deeper to look at reasons why.

So whilst acknowledging there are good and bad men in all groups, Sky News fact checked Nigel Farage’s claim that Afghan men had a 22 times higher propensity to rape. It found that a cross comparison to UK society as a whole was very difficult as the incoming refugee population were largely younger males and exact data does not exist. However, it does suggest that there is a considerable disparity of perhaps 4 or so times, which is still quite significant, though again data is difficult to cross compare.

I was brought up in a Muslim country (Malaysia), and generally most Muslim men are very respectful of women. However, as you travel to certain more strict areas, the society can be deeply oppressive for women and there is a really ingrained culture that a women not at home and not dressed extremely modestly is “asking for it”. The concept of consent is also not understood. Rape in marriage is still legal in many countries and a woman meeting a man alone might be seen as being very provocative.

In short there is a dangerous initial clash of culture which is not being properly managed. I understand refugees get some counselling on UK culture, but it will be anywhere near enough to override years of culture in Afghanistan.

On a risk basis, we should look for more secure units for those who pose the most risk.

news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

Leftist social women caused the downfall and Islamic takeover in Iran…. And yet they’ll still do it here, it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas. I despair for my daughter

Haven’t seen UK data, but European data does show very stark differences in sexual assault/rape offending by origin country.

I’d guess a mix of: i) chance of getting caught quickly is a much stronger deterrent than harshness of punishment. We do badly at this, ii) maybe they expect it to be treated as a minor crime at best, ie they don’t expect serious punishment even if caught, iii) most criminals are very impulsive anyway, which correlates with low IQ, and the typical national tested IQs of many of the highest-offending origin countries is very low.

Haven’t seen UK data, but European data does show very stark differences in sexual assault/rape offending by origin country.

I’d guess a mix of: i) chance of getting caught quickly is a much stronger deterrent than harshness of punishment. We do badly at this, ii) maybe they expect it to be treated as a minor crime at best, ie they don’t expect serious punishment even if caught, iii) most criminals are very impulsive anyway, which correlates with low IQ, and the typical national tested IQs of many of the highest-offending origin countries is very low.

Why do I get the feeling "virtually" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here? 🤔

and anyway, this misses the point. We know young men of the lowest socio-economic status commit the most crimes.

Hence why we don't need an excess of this demographic, who even if they don't commit any crimes are likely to take far more out of the system than they will ever put back.

Absolutely. Yes, it is men. But within the demographic of 'men', there are cultural and social differences for sub-demographics that mean sexual or domestic violence is more or less common.

For men who grow up in regions where women being treated as less than men is normal, with laws meaning that marital rape, spousal abuse, financial control etc are acceptable behaviours, it makes sense that they're going to be more prone to that. Equally, if they grow up in a sub-culture that normalises abuse and violence, despite the laws of the country not supporting that behaviour.

For instance, sexual abuse is seemingly (it's hard to get data because it's generally hidden and not spoken of) highly prevalent amongst Amish communities. I would imagine that the 'traditional' lifestyle and ingrained misogyny of that sub-culture, along with its isolation from wider society, has something to do with that.

And I imagine (for instance) Russian men, and men from many Middle Eastern cultures, have higher rates of sexual or domestic violence and misogynistic behaviours because of the laws and values within the societies they come from.

To pretend otherwise is silly. You can acknowledge that some societies are markedly more misogynistic than others, and at higher risk of enacting sexual or domestic violence, without absolving white British men of the sexual and domestic violence that they also engage in.

I think More or Less have covered this a couple of times, there isn't any evidence, let along strong evidence, that male migrants are disproportionately likely to commit sexual offences. Maybe give it a listen @Jane379 ?

A common mistake this it made is not to compare like with like, for instance male migrants are usually young, and younger males in general are more likely to commit sexual offences than older men, so you need to compare against younger British offenders, not all ages of male offenders.

The recent claims by Annunziata Rees-Mogg used figures from Dorset Police that were shown to be completely wrong (an AI hallucination, apparently)

They don't know that it is different here, who do you think is educating them? Most women's first sexual encounter is as s child, but very few men are charged with child sexual offences. Even for people who migrate here,there's no support groups to teach a lot of things. Life in our prisons, is better than what they face, as a asylum seeker etc.