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To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

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Jane379 · 03/06/2026 00:05

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

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Jane379 · 04/06/2026 14:46

Toops · 04/06/2026 14:08

Again women do sadly get assaulted in the UK. But least compare this to Sudan where the violence inflicted on women and girls by armed men is systematically used as a weapon of war and ethnic terror. What happens there does not happen in the UK because the violence is militarised, public, and carried out by organized armies with the explicit intent to destroy communities.

This too! The UK is not a war zone like Sudan.

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Toops · 04/06/2026 14:40

Look at the Poland rape rates astronomically lower than the UK. Also very low in the VAWG survey.

HRTQueen · 04/06/2026 14:39

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:57

51% of women wake up being raped in their own beds...

Only one scenario of where rape is happening....there are many more...

So most women are raped in the UK.

The police do not have to investigate it at all. They can choose not to.

I work with sexual abuse victims and trust me, you need educating. The conviction rates claim comes from the CPS where they said they actively let rapists off on purpose in order to raise the conviction rates.

Take 10 rapists to court and convict 1 = 10% conviction rate.
Take 1 rapist to court and convict 1 = 100% conviction rate.

It was well documented when the CPS admitted this...

You saying 90% of girls in schools being sexually abused in schools is not that bad? Why?

Why is sexual assaults here less bad than sexual assaults elsewhere? What makes them 'not that bad' to be sexually assaulted in one place than another?

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I have worked with sexual abuse victims too, I gained placements for them, i supported them accessing medical support, financial support, courses to support them to gain the confidence to get out of these abusive relationships - that I could do this safely is because I live in a country where in law we are equal I have a right to be safe. I find it hard to believe you are not aware of this

Do you think a woman if Afghanistan (and other ME countries) can assess support, get medical support, choose to have a termination, report their husbands your very role would put you in danger from authorities

Why are you making this about where it is better to be abused, abuse is abuse but we do have options to get away, to report, to divorce that women are often in abusive relationships can't is about the relationship not about laws

That we can openly discuss this on a forum is something that just can not be done by many woman due to total control over their lives that is support and upheld by the very systems in place

so yes you do need to educate yourself on how life is for so many millions of woman and how misogyny in these countries is so entrenched that woman do not have any control over their lives

PeachOctopus · 04/06/2026 14:28

In 2025 there was approximately one rape reported in London every 54 minutes. The met police recorded 26,803 sexual offences in 24/25 an increase from 24,334 in 23/24.

Data is limited and often from police records (e.g., self-reported nationality). Per ONS/Home Office (2021-2023): Afghans convicted of sexual offences at ~3x rate of UK-born (9 vs 2.9 per 10,000), though demographics play a role.

What else can account for the exponential rise in rape stats over the last 15 years in London other than a change in demographics?

Toops · 04/06/2026 14:08

Again women do sadly get assaulted in the UK. But least compare this to Sudan where the violence inflicted on women and girls by armed men is systematically used as a weapon of war and ethnic terror. What happens there does not happen in the UK because the violence is militarised, public, and carried out by organized armies with the explicit intent to destroy communities.

Toops · 04/06/2026 14:03

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:45

Would you rather your child is sexually abused here or sexually abused elsewhere?

Take your pick...which would you choose?

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Do you think a young girl has a better or worse chance in life in the UK, the EU or in Kabul and Mogadishu?

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 13:53

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:51

Nah just asking the same as others asked of me..

Ahh can't answer.....

Apparently sexual abuse in the UK is not bad...so surely you would choose her to be sexually abused here? No?

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This isn’t right, reconsider your posting.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 13:52

Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:50

Buzz off, please. Your posts are illogical and now offensive.

Yes I’m not sure they’re a woman after that, and I doubt they have daughters.

Toops · 04/06/2026 13:47

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:03

Probably the same the world over as all women have been sexually assaulted so I would say probably the norm the world over as it is here.

Living with a man is unsafe in any country...

90% of girls here are sexually assaulted in school....probably on a par with those countries...

Per captia here is 0.3.....showing it is the same regardless of ethnicity.

All have the same root cause....misogyny!

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The per capita isn't the same regardless of ethnicity. Nordic nations clearly measure SA by ethnicity and the data is clear.

Do you genuinely think you're as safe as a woman in Afghanistan, sudan, Somalia, or South Africa than you are in the UK, EU or Australia?

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 13:02

Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:59

51% of women wake up being raped in their own beds? You mean 51% of women in the UK? Or 51% of rape victims? Or what?

Most women are raped in the UK?

Produce your sources for these wild claims. If you do not, I will not respond any further.

51% of women in the UK.

The data is from the biggest study ever conducted about VAWG....

Why have you not read it?

The fact that you spend your time minimising rape and sexual assault then maybe that is why so many men and boys here do it as they know ppl like you will minimise it and dismiss victims reporting.

Explain why you think rape and sexual abuse here is 'not as bad' as elsewhere?

Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:59

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:57

51% of women wake up being raped in their own beds...

Only one scenario of where rape is happening....there are many more...

So most women are raped in the UK.

The police do not have to investigate it at all. They can choose not to.

I work with sexual abuse victims and trust me, you need educating. The conviction rates claim comes from the CPS where they said they actively let rapists off on purpose in order to raise the conviction rates.

Take 10 rapists to court and convict 1 = 10% conviction rate.
Take 1 rapist to court and convict 1 = 100% conviction rate.

It was well documented when the CPS admitted this...

You saying 90% of girls in schools being sexually abused in schools is not that bad? Why?

Why is sexual assaults here less bad than sexual assaults elsewhere? What makes them 'not that bad' to be sexually assaulted in one place than another?

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51% of women wake up being raped in their own beds? You mean 51% of women in the UK? Or 51% of rape victims? Or what?

Most women are raped in the UK?

Produce your sources for these wild claims. If you do not, I will not respond any further.

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Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:57

HRTQueen · 04/06/2026 12:54

Of course it is illegal everyone who is raped has the right to report the rape to the police and it has to be investigated - that is the law

That we still need to greatly improve how sexual violence is dealt with by the police, dealt with by the courts and attidues is different

do you think this is the case for woman in Afghanistan or many other middle eastern countries

Your conviction rates claim I have no idea where you have go this from

and really what is your argument that we have it just as bad - really go and educate yourself

51% of women wake up being raped in their own beds...

Only one scenario of where rape is happening....there are many more...

So most women are raped in the UK.

The police do not have to investigate it at all. They can choose not to.

I work with sexual abuse victims and trust me, you need educating. The conviction rates claim comes from the CPS where they said they actively let rapists off on purpose in order to raise the conviction rates.

Take 10 rapists to court and convict 1 = 10% conviction rate.
Take 1 rapist to court and convict 1 = 100% conviction rate.

It was well documented when the CPS admitted this...

You saying 90% of girls in schools being sexually abused in schools is not that bad? Why?

Why is sexual assaults here less bad than sexual assaults elsewhere? What makes them 'not that bad' to be sexually assaulted in one place than another?

Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:55

HRTQueen · 04/06/2026 12:54

Of course it is illegal everyone who is raped has the right to report the rape to the police and it has to be investigated - that is the law

That we still need to greatly improve how sexual violence is dealt with by the police, dealt with by the courts and attidues is different

do you think this is the case for woman in Afghanistan or many other middle eastern countries

Your conviction rates claim I have no idea where you have go this from

and really what is your argument that we have it just as bad - really go and educate yourself

I think this person belongs in the 3 Billy Goats Gruff, IYKWIM. Probably best to ignore them or they'll keep derailing.

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Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:54

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:51

Nah just asking the same as others asked of me..

Ahh can't answer.....

Apparently sexual abuse in the UK is not bad...so surely you would choose her to be sexually abused here? No?

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Rape is not as common in the UK as in countries like Sudan & Somalia etc. You're muddying the waters by talking about sexual assault which could be groping etc as well as rape.

Groping & other types of sexual assault are awful but they are not as bad as rape.

I very much doubt 90% of teen girls are raped in school. Groped, maybe

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HRTQueen · 04/06/2026 12:54

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:38

How it is illegal if you are almost certainly going to get away with it?

If ppl are not getting convicted for it and punished then it is almost legal....no?

For it to be illegal there has to be consequences.

Nope it is not hard to prosecute. It is a crime that has more evidence than most, most have a witness.

The reason it is not prosecuted is that the CPS let the rapists off on purpose to fudge their conviction rates...

Due to misogyny!

Of course it is illegal everyone who is raped has the right to report the rape to the police and it has to be investigated - that is the law

That we still need to greatly improve how sexual violence is dealt with by the police, dealt with by the courts and attidues is different

do you think this is the case for woman in Afghanistan or many other middle eastern countries

Your conviction rates claim I have no idea where you have go this from

and really what is your argument that we have it just as bad - really go and educate yourself

Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:52

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 03/06/2026 11:40

All the talk about 'bringing their female relatives later' in regard to single Afghan men. No, their female relatives will be dead in the time it takes them to get to the UK. Any man leaving his female relatives in Afghanistan is saying loudly and clearly he doesn't care if they die. Women only have any hope of surviving in Afghanistan if they have male relatives THERE to support and help them.

A lot of Afghan families are large though, or certainly larger than here. I suspect a lot of the men will have brothers and fathers left behind who will act as guardians.

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Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:51

Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:50

Buzz off, please. Your posts are illogical and now offensive.

Nah just asking the same as others asked of me..

Ahh can't answer.....

Apparently sexual abuse in the UK is not bad...so surely you would choose her to be sexually abused here? No?

Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:50

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:03

Probably the same the world over as all women have been sexually assaulted so I would say probably the norm the world over as it is here.

Living with a man is unsafe in any country...

90% of girls here are sexually assaulted in school....probably on a par with those countries...

Per captia here is 0.3.....showing it is the same regardless of ethnicity.

All have the same root cause....misogyny!

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90% of teen girls are raped at school?

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Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:50

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:48

Which country would you prefer your daughter to be sexually abused in?

Buzz off, please. Your posts are illogical and now offensive.

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Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:49

HRTQueen · 04/06/2026 12:13

give over rape is almost legal that is a ridiculously stupid statement to make, that rape and sexual assault is very hard to prosecute is an issue but it is against the law and we women can report our husbands for raping us and attitudes have changed significantly and still are though not quick enough

do you realise in many countries it actually isn't against the law for men to rape their wife/wives, as it was here until 1991

No one is denying that sexual assaults happen far too frequently and misogyny is not an issue in the UK, but we do have laws in place that allow us in law to be equal citizens I can report harassment and violence, I can choose how to dress, I can vote, I can make the choice to divorce, go on to further education, to work I can safely live on my own (crimes happen but it is a choice I can make, I can work or gain benefits and any harassment I can report to the police that is my right to make these choices) I have autonomy over my life

live in a country where you are not and you will soon appreciate how much better we have being female we have freedoms that woman and girls in many countries can only dream of

This exactly!

I understand why a lot of feminists including some on here argue that in practice rape is legal in the UK as conviction rates are so low.

This is actually another topic I'd like to do a thread on. I personally think that it's unlikely the UK is a more sexist country than France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc What I DO think is that because the UK adopted consent based rape laws before a lot of other countries this may affect stats, as other countries may still be using a higher bar to prosecute whereby force or threat have to be proved, rather than just absence of consent. The UK may have lower conviction rates partly because we're more willing to at least try to try cases which don't involve physical force or threat.

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Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:48

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 12:18

Where would you prefer to bring up dds @Samysungyhere or Afghanistan? If it’s all the same would you swap?

Which country would you prefer your daughter to be sexually abused in?

Jane379 · 04/06/2026 12:45

Toops · 04/06/2026 11:19

I think they were

Unfortunately many sections of the travelling community seem to have misogynistic mores, high DV etc. The current situation with both traveller girls & boys often being withdrawn early from school must be stopped.

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Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:45

Toops · 04/06/2026 12:24

She doesn't answer because she knows she can't.

Would you rather your child is sexually abused here or sexually abused elsewhere?

Take your pick...which would you choose?

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:40

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 12:37

Yep. It’s always overlooked but really we need to not slip into everywhere’s the same.

If the pp were honest they would not want anything near what’s happening to girls in Sudan and Afghanistan to happen here.

(unless some bizarre cruelty, which most don’t have).

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You are the one overlooking how females are treated here.

Saying it is not bad for little girls to be sexually assaulted in schools and saying it isn't that bad.....

Because others in another country have other things happen to them!

Samysungy · 04/06/2026 12:38

HRTQueen · 04/06/2026 12:13

give over rape is almost legal that is a ridiculously stupid statement to make, that rape and sexual assault is very hard to prosecute is an issue but it is against the law and we women can report our husbands for raping us and attitudes have changed significantly and still are though not quick enough

do you realise in many countries it actually isn't against the law for men to rape their wife/wives, as it was here until 1991

No one is denying that sexual assaults happen far too frequently and misogyny is not an issue in the UK, but we do have laws in place that allow us in law to be equal citizens I can report harassment and violence, I can choose how to dress, I can vote, I can make the choice to divorce, go on to further education, to work I can safely live on my own (crimes happen but it is a choice I can make, I can work or gain benefits and any harassment I can report to the police that is my right to make these choices) I have autonomy over my life

live in a country where you are not and you will soon appreciate how much better we have being female we have freedoms that woman and girls in many countries can only dream of

How it is illegal if you are almost certainly going to get away with it?

If ppl are not getting convicted for it and punished then it is almost legal....no?

For it to be illegal there has to be consequences.

Nope it is not hard to prosecute. It is a crime that has more evidence than most, most have a witness.

The reason it is not prosecuted is that the CPS let the rapists off on purpose to fudge their conviction rates...

Due to misogyny!