To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

I listened to that programme. I seem to remember that it was examining claims against asylum seekers/ illegal immigrants and found we don’t currently keep data on offending by these categories, so they looked at offending in the UK by foreign nationality instead, and excluded origin countries where people were unlikely to be fleeing for asylum etc reasons. Of remaining nationalities there were higher rates of sexual offending. They then offered hypothesized explanations for this. Interestingly, they never mentioned ‘culture’ as a possible explanation even though it is quite an obvious possible candidate……

Thank you. There I was fuming at the unfounded dailymaility of the OP and wondering how to find the right data set to investigate, and there it is already debunked.

Honestly IQ can get in the bin anyway, and I say this as someone who tested with a high IQ. I’ve posted some articles upthread to explain why I think it’s so flawed.

For example, British culture is such that women have equal opportunities to men, others do not.

This is just false. Maybe the law states equality but we know that doesn’t happen in practice within employment, health, academia, or in the justice system and so on. This is the same country that recently let two male (white) teens off with a non-custodial sentence after a brutal rape of two girls.

Exactly.

from the first article linked below - According to some researchers, the “cultural specificity” of intelligence makes IQ tests biased towards the environments in which they were developed – namely white, Western society. This makes them potentially problematic in culturally diverse settings. The application of the same test among different communities would fail to recognise the different cultural values that shape what each community values as intelligent behaviour.

https://theconversation.com/the-iq-test-wars-why-screening-for-intelligence-is-still-so-controversial-81428

https://www.polytechnique-insights.com/en/columns/neuroscience/iq-can-intelligence-really-be-measured/

Absolutely.

What is more, just because you've got a leak in one bedroom roof, doesn't mean you poke a hole in other bedroom's roof.

It pisses me off when I hear stupid statements about 'our' men being crap.
Yeah some are true but so what?

Doesn't mean we let more bastards from cultures with known terrible attitudes towards women in.
We must also remember that there is a difference between culture and individual behaviour.
For example, British culture is such that women have equal opportunities to men, others do not.

I'm so sick of this 'be kind' nonsense.
If they're men from misogynistic cultures, they should not be allowed entry to the UK.
Women and children welcome. Send the men back.

Yeah sure there may be some good men amongst the one's being sent back, but as overall even the best of them are likely to have milder misogynistic attitudes well tough luck.

I've no problem with them being turned away.

Sorry, are you actually saying people from certain countries have very low IQs? Am I really reading that right?

IQ is changed by education and literacy.

Is there Evidence of IQ variations in different countries?

Evidence that migrants are disproportionately likely to do so, is there? Where?

Their cases may be disproportionately likely to be covered by the press. Don’t you think?

Leftist social women caused the downfall and Islamic takeover in Iran…. And yet they’ll still do it here, it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas. I despair for my daughter

This.

We should learn from Germany and Sweden and not follow the same path- the consequences of importing men with very different values is awful for the women on the streets. Best case scenario near where I work is that they shout at me for having a dog. I shouldn’t have to accommodate them - it’s ok to have pets in the UK. They are always sleazing on women in our town and nobody walks alone unless it’s a 2 min walk between the gym/shopping centre and the bus.tube.

After the grooming gangs scandals, after all the data out of Sweden and Germany, we STILL have people denying that young male immigrants from certain regions aren’t more likely to commit sexual assault?

Even though it’s not denied these migrants come from misogynistic cultures that have taught them that white western women should be despised?

That we need more of whom? Young men?
However much young men get on my nerves, I really don’t think we can ban them.

Are you actually willing to tell the fathers of the girls who were raped en masse on New Year's Eve 2015 in Germany that we need more of them? How about the victims of grooming gangs? Lets give more of these men a chance to step up...

Haven’t seen UK data, but European data does show very stark differences in sexual assault/rape offending by origin country.

I’d guess a mix of: i) chance of getting caught quickly is a much stronger deterrent than harshness of punishment. We do badly at this, ii) maybe they expect it to be treated as a minor crime at best, ie they don’t expect serious punishment even if caught, iii) most criminals are very impulsive anyway, which correlates with low IQ, and the typical national tested IQs of many of the highest-offending origin countries is very low.

Very few rapes are reported.

very few reported rapes are prosecuted

the deterrence effect is low because the chance of being caught and punished is incredibly low unless you are stupid enough to do it in the middle of Oxford street with hundred of witnesses.

even then it probably wouldn’t get prosecuted.

” We know young men of the lowest socio-economic status commit the most crimes.
Hence why we don't need an excess of this demographic, who even if they don't commit any crimes are likely to take far more out of the system than they will ever put back.”

Are you actually willing to tell the mothers of these boys of the lowest socio economic groups, wherever they come from, that we don’t need any more of them? That we don’t need any more takers? Maybe we could give them a chance to step up?

@Jane379 careful your racism is showing. Data shows 87% are nationals, with 82% being white

Why do I get the feeling "virtually" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here? 🤔

and anyway, this misses the point. We know young men of the lowest socio-economic status commit the most crimes.

Hence why we don't need an excess of this demographic, who even if they don't commit any crimes are likely to take far more out of the system than they will ever put back.

I think it depends on the person. Like most criminals, many of them just aren't very bright, have poor impulse control, and don't stop to consider the consequences. Some probably think they won't be caught or that they can lie their way out of trouble. They may not fully expect the crime will be taken seriously, if they come from a sub-culture where it may be considered acceptable to assault certain women (those not dressed 'modestly' or not of the 'correct' faith).

There is zero credible evidence to support that view. Henry Fudge recently did a video that shows that once you standardise the data to account for ages and socioeconomic background the offending rates of British and migrants males are virtually identical

I don’t think the OP was disputing that aspect though? I’m certainly not, without stats, I would have guessed the numbers were the same and it’s just a make thing at its core.

However, my read of what the OP was asking was - why do migrant men (where it’s accepted present no greater risk than white males) offend when the punishment will be greater for them.

So, non-migrant men will commit sexual assault, and if punished, it’s usually a slight tap on the hand and then back to societal life as usual (very sadly).

Yet, for migrant men who commit sexual assault, if punished, will get the slight tap on the hand, and then be deported (well, that’s the way it works where I am in Aus).

Yet, as you point out the numbers of each group seem equal which defies common sense as you would think the stats for migrant men would be lower than equal to non-migrant men, given they face so much more to lose if punished, so it would act as a deterrent, but it dies’t seem to. I believe that’s the question OP was putting forward.

Absolutely. Yes, it is men. But within the demographic of 'men', there are cultural and social differences for sub-demographics that mean sexual or domestic violence is more or less common.

For men who grow up in regions where women being treated as less than men is normal, with laws meaning that marital rape, spousal abuse, financial control etc are acceptable behaviours, it makes sense that they're going to be more prone to that. Equally, if they grow up in a sub-culture that normalises abuse and violence, despite the laws of the country not supporting that behaviour.

For instance, sexual abuse is seemingly (it's hard to get data because it's generally hidden and not spoken of) highly prevalent amongst Amish communities. I would imagine that the 'traditional' lifestyle and ingrained misogyny of that sub-culture, along with its isolation from wider society, has something to do with that.

And I imagine (for instance) Russian men, and men from many Middle Eastern cultures, have higher rates of sexual or domestic violence and misogynistic behaviours because of the laws and values within the societies they come from.

To pretend otherwise is silly. You can acknowledge that some societies are markedly more misogynistic than others, and at higher risk of enacting sexual or domestic violence, without absolving white British men of the sexual and domestic violence that they also engage in.

I think More or Less have covered this a couple of times, there isn't any evidence, let along strong evidence, that male migrants are disproportionately likely to commit sexual offences. Maybe give it a listen @Jane379 ?

A common mistake this it made is not to compare like with like, for instance male migrants are usually young, and younger males in general are more likely to commit sexual offences than older men, so you need to compare against younger British offenders, not all ages of male offenders.

The recent claims by Annunziata Rees-Mogg used figures from Dorset Police that were shown to be completely wrong (an AI hallucination, apparently)