To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

Yes that's very true. But in some areas the demographics can be different. X area will have far more assaults from ethnic men than UK as whole average. I lived on outskirts of one area in London for years, and just because I've got red hair the amount of cat calls and harassing I got was ridiculous.

Was sitting next to my now BF on a double decker about ten years ago, after doing some food shopping. Had a mixed teen lad get on bus, stare straight down my top and say "Some fine titties dere!" 😡 No BF - just a good friend then - growled at him and I told him to fuck off. If my friend - who is huge - hadn't been beside me, I was probably due 5 minutes of harassment masked as 'banter'. Now BF asked if I wanted him to have a go at the little shit or tell the bus driver about it? I said no not worth it. Saddest part is that little creep looked about fourteen 🤦y

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Women last, as always.

This is just an extension of Rotherham. Aggressive demands for evidence, women being accused of bigotry, deflection.

What we need is proper data recorded by the government or a mass survey of court convictions. No doubt even if it supported OP, they would somehow reach for reasons it was biased. But in the absence of that information these debates will always crop up.

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I’m going to call bullshit on this. The whole of the past week has been about John Worboys while this has gone under the radar somewhat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3e2wzpe7xjo

Because there are vastly more white men 🙄

This thread is depressing because it shows how readily concern for women is thrown out of the window. Other concerns ( anti-racist, pro trans, antizionist) means that concerns for women need to be thrown out without even looking at what the data and evidence may show. As this post from above makes clear:
There I was fuming at the unfounded dailymaility of the OP and wondering how to find the right data set to investigate, and there it is already debunked
Here a poster states quite clearly that they had no idea what the evidence said, but still firmly held their position anyway, and we’re going to look for data that supported what they believed anyway. This poster hadn’t even looked at this source by the way, just took an account of it on here as gospel truth, asking no questions whatsoever to investigate the methodology used.
This is intellectual and moral dishonesty.

I have no idea what the truth is here but hypotheses that a large influx of young men into an area with no occupation, possibly poor English, no stabilizing family ( or any other) community may pose a problem. Nor does it seem unreasonable to hypothesize that men from communities who think only women who dress modestly should be respected, may pose a problem. It is at least worth getting proper data and evidence to test these hypotheses.

We don’t keep the data which is why there’s no ‘proof’. So it’s easy to demand evidence knowing full well this isn’t recorded. Sweden is trying to get a grip on it but there’s radio silence where a proper government run study should be.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764

The law doesn’t seem to care about sexual assault regardless of who the perpetrator is or where they are from but I do think if you commit a crime, you should be deported. I’ve lived and worked in many other countries and if I was to commit a crime I certainly wouldn’t be able to hold on to my job and visa.

You don’t think it makes a difference that they’ve been raised since day 1 to see women as inferior chattels and lived in a country where stripping them of rights is normal?

Do you accept that men from way more misogynistic countries are more likely to be misogynists? Because if they’re not the ones oppressing the women in, eg, Afghanistan, then who is?

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National IQs calculated and validated for 108 nations - ScienceDirect

IQ is the most valid, reliable, heritable and predictive theory in psychology. If people are dismissing this, they are dismissing psychology per se.

That's not to say there are not valid criticisms, for example cultural bias. There is little value in comparing the scores of one country with another. However, If we want to know the likelihood of someone succeeding within countries, then IQ will tell us more than any other single predictor.

Because we talk about it when migrants do it, but not when while white men do

You must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the UK is a haven of peace and tranquility for women.
It’s the same the world over, just different levels of hatred towards females.
No we are not at the level of Afghanistan, thank God, but I don’t see Tommy Robinson and his supporters up in arms when a white rapist is freed.

Actually in this country more white men commit rapes than men of colour do

Another thread apparently showing concern for women with no evidence and what looks like a racist agenda. What’s going on over the last 24 hours? Couldn’t possibly be an attempt to whip things up in the light of the (unrelated) terrible Southampton event …could It?

I've got news for anyone who thinks that 'misogynistic cultures' are only 'out there'.

Everywhere is a misogynistic culture.

There are many urban myths in their home countries that British woman are so easy, them travel here to 'get lucky'.
Romanian lady who lives down my area saying they all watch Geordie shore, influencer blogs, old big brother and think many English women behave like that.

Guy at my old worksite is of Turkish-Cypriot extraction. Back on the island and mainland etc, a man accused of raping a woman is likely to end up dead. They sometimes rape special needs men instead as no one gets offed for that and no body cares.
Britain and Scandinavia are seen as soft places with easy woman and light jail time. Almost zero of these type of men will be killed or attacked for assaulting attractive women.
He was telling a few of us this and we couldn't believe it at first. Another person chimes in and said that's why Soviet soldiers were so feared in world war 2 and in Eastern European countries, as it was a license to rape many local women with no come backs. Do that in Russia, gulags in Siberia if you were lucky. This was still happening in 1983 in some Soviet satellite states.
Being born when USSR fell I never knew a fraction of this. Will have to do some reaches on my 'workbreak week' in August.

I am so tired of this argument.

Yes, the biggest predictor of if someone is likely to commit a sexual offense is whether they are male, rather than female.

But there are differences with sub sets of men.

Of course culture ( not just ethnic but any other type of culture too) affects how people behave. I can’t really understand how anyone could argue against this.

Well of course it can. Passing certain westernised tests doesn’t make you particularly clever. But my point is, in 2026 is it OK that you can say that people from certain countries have low IQs? I am actually shocked that people can possibly believe this and even more shocked that they can post such rubbish on the internet. I know I shouldn’t be shocked but I do actively stay away from the right wing MSM so maybe this crap is everywhere and it’s just the fact it’s on Mumsnet that bothers me so much.

Simple answer: they are male. Brought up in a patriarchal, misogynistic world. Fed by religions which ALL depict females as scum and less than. All works of fiction written by hateful, ignorant men.
Do you think no female was ever attacked by a white male?
Black men are just the same.
Skin colour makes no difference

Take a moment to reflect on the white rapists who are repeat offenders who were recently let off with a slap on the wrist for raping those teenage girls.
The world would be a better place if women ruled it.
I also think we have enough indigenous rapists here without letting more in from overseas.

So whilst acknowledging there are good and bad men in all groups, Sky News fact checked Nigel Farage’s claim that Afghan men had a 22 times higher propensity to rape. It found that a cross comparison to UK society as a whole was very difficult as the incoming refugee population were largely younger males and exact data does not exist. However, it does suggest that there is a considerable disparity of perhaps 4 or so times, which is still quite significant, though again data is difficult to cross compare.

I was brought up in a Muslim country (Malaysia), and generally most Muslim men are very respectful of women. However, as you travel to certain more strict areas, the society can be deeply oppressive for women and there is a really ingrained culture that a women not at home and not dressed extremely modestly is “asking for it”. The concept of consent is also not understood. Rape in marriage is still legal in many countries and a woman meeting a man alone might be seen as being very provocative.

In short there is a dangerous initial clash of culture which is not being properly managed. I understand refugees get some counselling on UK culture, but it will be anywhere near enough to override years of culture in Afghanistan.

On a risk basis, we should look for more secure units for those who pose the most risk.

news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

Thugs like Farage or Robinson have to find ways to make people terrified of migrants otherwise their rhetoric falls flat quickly. Can you picture them saying something like “all these lovely people coming over fleeing war/persecution wanting to contribute to our society”? No, they want to whip up fear and hatred. A quick fire way of achieving this is claiming a disproportionate amount of them rape women. Over half of the 2024 rioters (I.e Tommy Robinson’s crew) have been convinced of violence against women - fun fact.

It is just men. Not migrant men, not all men but men, nevertheless. If you’re a woman, you should be wary of all men, not just the black and brown ones with a foreign accent.

But looking at all migrants is the wrong data set. No one is suggesting that American/ Australian/ New Zealand/ Western European nationals have higher rates of sexual offending. People are concerned about offending from men from misogynistic cultures. You’d have to examine the data set from that group alone ( and decide if you were looking at legal or illegal/ asylum or all three) to see if claims of higher rates of offending were true. And then delve deeper to look at reasons why.

Statistically they have committed no more sexual offences, proportionally, than non- migrants. Get your head out of your arse and stop watching GB news. Im sick and tired of this hateful and false rhetoric. It feels like mumsnet has been infiltrated by a load of Reform plants to constantly post this shit. Just go away. Focus on things that actually matter and are real issues of concern: the NHS, education, SEN education, workers rights - not to be sacked just for being pregnant for example- all of these things are at risk if that toad Farage gets it.

They probably don’t. It’s just that when they do they are splashed across the front pages.
I also think that if we have them something productive to do it might help. Rather than them just roaming the streets with no job, no money, no ability to get a job.