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To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

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Jane379 · 03/06/2026 00:05

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

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Toops · 09/06/2026 20:24

Poland rapes per capita are 1 per 100k. Here it's 100 per 100k. Poland ranks the best/safest on the EU VAWG survey

Jaromirsan · 09/06/2026 20:08

Please take a note that a high position of Poland among countries that accepted refugees is due to the fact that we accommodated very significant number of war refugees from Ukraine. Majority of them are women, children and teenagers. Furthermore, Ukrainian men may culturally be different from Poles but not to the extend Afghans and Iraqis are. Thus, the low incidence of rape and sex crimes in Poland should not be considered as contradicting the thesis that having high number of male immigrants from muslim countries is risk factor for the safety of your women. I am afraid that the reality is sad and very simple. It is not about our believes. It is about reality.

HelmholtzWatson · 08/06/2026 05:35

BashthatTerriesorange · 05/06/2026 08:12

This may have once been true but I think now that boys are accessing pornography, much of which is about violence and domination of women, I think boys probably do need to be taught this. They have learnt this is normal sex and the porn has programmed them to be aroused by it.

A read an article about boys getting erections when their girlfriends cry ( because they watch so much porn of women crying as they are sexually assaulted) I posted this in a group and several of the young women said they had experienced this. If you are aroused rather than saddened by a girl or woman crying that’s a barrier to rape gone and an incentive created. I had a friend in her 50s. As a young teen several of her male friends started to assault her. She cried and they apologized and stopped. Her reaction brought them to their senses. I doubt that would happen now if the boys watched online porn.

A read an article about boys getting erections when their girlfriends cry ( because they watch so much porn of women crying as they are sexually assaulted)

As a scientist, I can say this hypothesis is almost impossible to test and get any kind of reliable data.

MsJinks · 08/06/2026 04:21

LakieLady · 07/06/2026 22:32

Thank you.

I am beyond frustration with the number of times that I have explained this to people. I've explained it to MIL at least 3 or 4 times....

I feel you - I have explained this and other immigration stuff multiple times in multiple places - to little avail. I even say I’m not debating whether it’s a good, or bad, ‘thing’ but let’s start with facts!

I sent a relative a link to R v Uxbridge re asylum seekers being able to seek where they felt safe once - I was finally believed, but only as they’d taught law and had an interest I think, they’d not previously heard of this. I mean didn’t change their views but the facts were accepted!

I do partly blame governments of all colours for this tbh - they encourage such narratives or at least never clarify.

LakieLady · 07/06/2026 22:32

MsJinks · 03/06/2026 08:11

That is the only way to seek asylum in the U.K. - to be on British soil and claim. This isn’t illegal entry in the eyes of the law then - if they land and don’t claim then it would be illegal.

There’s lots of debate around this I know, but this false understanding that these small boats are landing illegals, who remain illegal is not helpful.

There are illegal migrants in the U.K. but most will have arrived legally and then overstayed their visa.

Thank you.

I am beyond frustration with the number of times that I have explained this to people. I've explained it to MIL at least 3 or 4 times....

BlueSherbet · 07/06/2026 21:06

Jane379 · 05/06/2026 16:08

Low IQ predominates in both places. In SA its 77. Afghanistan its 88. Below 70 was traditionally considered the threshold for mental retardation. By way of comparison, a dolphin is estimated to have an IQ of between 70 - 100. Bottlenose dolphins have a typical IQ of 126

  • re these points. I think scientists who've studied this say that below 70 IQ means mental retardation if combined with other factors, but not on its own. I think some have also argued that IQ is maybe a flawed tool for measuring developing countries as several countries have come out with results that would mean most of the population was mentally retarded, which wouldn't seem accurate.

Re bottlenose dolphins, are you sure that's true? That would mean they have a better average IQ than human beings.

Can you give me a source for that claim about dolphins? They would not be able to do a human style IQ test so how was this 'IQ' measured?

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Can you give me a source for that claim about dolphins? They would not be able to do a human style IQ test so how was this 'IQ' measured?

Good point and question. You are right that it cant be measured the same way and that scientists would probably shy away from stating a number or range. The numbers I gave were estimates found by googling, so hardly scientific!

However they can estimate animals intelligence level via considering:

-brain size and structure
-problem solving ability
-self awareness
-ability to communicate
-social intelligence

Bottlenose dolphins have a bigger brain than humans.

BlueSherbet · 07/06/2026 21:00

Jane379 · 05/06/2026 16:05

This survey was in 2009, 17 years ago. Has the situation since got better or worse?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/17/south-africa-rape-survey

Worse I expect, along with everything else in the country.

Toops · 06/06/2026 11:09

Ponoka7 · 06/06/2026 10:51

I'm talking in the areas where the asylum seekers are coming from. Cherie Blair actually made the same comment and was criticised. Then African women started to phone in and share their experiences. One of my Nigerian friends was first sexually assaulted at 6, she didn't find out the same had happened to her sisters/cousins/friends until she came to England and could talk about things. None of the men face charges. Twinning toilets was important because sexual assaults take place when women have to go to toilet. Underwear charities exsist because if a girl in a poor region is wearing underwear other men don't assault her, because a man must be willing to pay for her, so she's off limits. Underwear is expensive. On here there's a minimising of life in Africa and Pakistan etc for women, but it harms women in those areas. My own background is South Africa, but I mix in the Nigerian/Ghanaian/Zimbabwe communities. Girls at school have to do sexual favours to pass courses, it's horrific and epidemic.

I'm so sorry about this. That's horrific.

Ponoka7 · 06/06/2026 10:51

SixtySomething · 05/06/2026 16:40

Most women's first sexual encounter is as a child.

I've certainly never heard this before.
Sounds quite inflammatory.
Where did you hear this?

I just asked AI and it gave me the following link, stating that Reuters found it was 12 percent: https://www.reuters.com/world/one-eight-girls-women-raped-or-sexually-assaulted-before-age-18-unicef-says-2024-10-10/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

What is your motive in posting such an extreme and clearly untrue statement? I'm a woman in my 60s. If it was true, I would have heard something about it somewhere.

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I'm talking in the areas where the asylum seekers are coming from. Cherie Blair actually made the same comment and was criticised. Then African women started to phone in and share their experiences. One of my Nigerian friends was first sexually assaulted at 6, she didn't find out the same had happened to her sisters/cousins/friends until she came to England and could talk about things. None of the men face charges. Twinning toilets was important because sexual assaults take place when women have to go to toilet. Underwear charities exsist because if a girl in a poor region is wearing underwear other men don't assault her, because a man must be willing to pay for her, so she's off limits. Underwear is expensive. On here there's a minimising of life in Africa and Pakistan etc for women, but it harms women in those areas. My own background is South Africa, but I mix in the Nigerian/Ghanaian/Zimbabwe communities. Girls at school have to do sexual favours to pass courses, it's horrific and epidemic.

Toops · 05/06/2026 19:11

MsJinks · 05/06/2026 18:20

Certainly going back a couple of 100 years with those IQ views - very, very distasteful, as well as just wrong.

Maybe it would be better if dolphins did rule the world - some people seem to have some odd and repulsive ideas on how it should look.

Someone people in those nations have views from the last century

GeneralPeter · 05/06/2026 18:30

MsJinks · 05/06/2026 18:20

Certainly going back a couple of 100 years with those IQ views - very, very distasteful, as well as just wrong.

Maybe it would be better if dolphins did rule the world - some people seem to have some odd and repulsive ideas on how it should look.

The dolphin claim is weird. But you surely don’t think that all countries and groups have the same tested IQ?

EasternStandard · 05/06/2026 18:25

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 05/06/2026 13:27

If we import too many of these men, women will lose their rights. We will have politicians and political parties openly calling for abolishing the vote for women and women's freedoms.

We could go the way of Afghanistan or Iran quite easily. Anyone who thinks that's not true is not paying attention.

In Afghanistan mumsnet would be illegal.

Mumsnet and the Internet. No voice really.

MsJinks · 05/06/2026 18:20

Jane379 · 05/06/2026 16:56

That poster was being misleading. Their IQ can be estimated but dolphins' brains are fundamentally different. They are very smart at what they evolved to do, but they don't have complex language etc and haven't evolved to the extent we have. It's misleading to imply they have a human style IQ of 126.

I also find pp's implication a bit unsavoury if they're trying to imply that most people in SA & Afghanistan are less intelligent than smart animals.

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Certainly going back a couple of 100 years with those IQ views - very, very distasteful, as well as just wrong.

Maybe it would be better if dolphins did rule the world - some people seem to have some odd and repulsive ideas on how it should look.

Jane379 · 05/06/2026 16:56

TheKittenswithMittens · 05/06/2026 16:37

Dolphins have an IQ of 126. Wow. Why don't we train them up to be computer engineers and doctors?

That poster was being misleading. Their IQ can be estimated but dolphins' brains are fundamentally different. They are very smart at what they evolved to do, but they don't have complex language etc and haven't evolved to the extent we have. It's misleading to imply they have a human style IQ of 126.

I also find pp's implication a bit unsavoury if they're trying to imply that most people in SA & Afghanistan are less intelligent than smart animals.

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TheKittenswithMittens · 05/06/2026 16:40

What's up DOC? Squeak. Oh no I have got Squeak.

SixtySomething · 05/06/2026 16:40

Ponoka7 · 03/06/2026 00:22

They don't know that it is different here, who do you think is educating them? Most women's first sexual encounter is as s child, but very few men are charged with child sexual offences. Even for people who migrate here,there's no support groups to teach a lot of things. Life in our prisons, is better than what they face, as a asylum seeker etc.

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Most women's first sexual encounter is as a child.

I've certainly never heard this before.
Sounds quite inflammatory.
Where did you hear this?

I just asked AI and it gave me the following link, stating that Reuters found it was 12 percent: https://www.reuters.com/world/one-eight-girls-women-raped-or-sexually-assaulted-before-age-18-unicef-says-2024-10-10/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

What is your motive in posting such an extreme and clearly untrue statement? I'm a woman in my 60s. If it was true, I would have heard something about it somewhere.

TheKittenswithMittens · 05/06/2026 16:37

Dolphins have an IQ of 126. Wow. Why don't we train them up to be computer engineers and doctors?

Jane379 · 05/06/2026 16:08

BlueSherbet · 04/06/2026 22:12

There is no mystery why this is.

These men are from primitive, misogynistic cultures. Compared to the west they are 1000s of years behind.

Look at Afghanistan. The men dress young boys up as women and then rape them, because they think its wrong to have sex with the women. Most of them are inbred due to the common islamic practice of marrying your own family member = genetic issues. They follow a religion invented by a man who was a paedophile, a rapist, a slave owner and a mass murderer, which portrays both non-adherents and women as being inferior. They think God will reward them with sex for committing atrocities.

Or South Africa. A country where 25 - 40% of men will openly admit to rape in surveys. When you consider the "shy rapists", it will likely be big majority of them who are rapists. A country where superstitions abound, such as raping a virgin can cure of of HIV.

Low IQ predominates in both places. In SA its 77. Afghanistan its 88. Below 70 was traditionally considered the threshold for mental retardation. By way of comparison, a dolphin is estimated to have an IQ of between 70 - 100. Bottlenose dolphins have a typical IQ of 126. These are all facts, check them.

These men lack the emotional and intellectual sophistication to function in a liberal western society.

These are but two examples of the nations we accept small boat men from, every day.

It is absolutely no mystery whatsoever why the conduct of these men is a big problem and a great threat to women in particular.

It would be more of a surprise if their behaviour was not a problem.

Low IQ predominates in both places. In SA its 77. Afghanistan its 88. Below 70 was traditionally considered the threshold for mental retardation. By way of comparison, a dolphin is estimated to have an IQ of between 70 - 100. Bottlenose dolphins have a typical IQ of 126

  • re these points. I think scientists who've studied this say that below 70 IQ means mental retardation if combined with other factors, but not on its own. I think some have also argued that IQ is maybe a flawed tool for measuring developing countries as several countries have come out with results that would mean most of the population was mentally retarded, which wouldn't seem accurate.

Re bottlenose dolphins, are you sure that's true? That would mean they have a better average IQ than human beings.

Can you give me a source for that claim about dolphins? They would not be able to do a human style IQ test so how was this 'IQ' measured?

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Jane379 · 05/06/2026 16:02

BlueSherbet · 04/06/2026 22:12

There is no mystery why this is.

These men are from primitive, misogynistic cultures. Compared to the west they are 1000s of years behind.

Look at Afghanistan. The men dress young boys up as women and then rape them, because they think its wrong to have sex with the women. Most of them are inbred due to the common islamic practice of marrying your own family member = genetic issues. They follow a religion invented by a man who was a paedophile, a rapist, a slave owner and a mass murderer, which portrays both non-adherents and women as being inferior. They think God will reward them with sex for committing atrocities.

Or South Africa. A country where 25 - 40% of men will openly admit to rape in surveys. When you consider the "shy rapists", it will likely be big majority of them who are rapists. A country where superstitions abound, such as raping a virgin can cure of of HIV.

Low IQ predominates in both places. In SA its 77. Afghanistan its 88. Below 70 was traditionally considered the threshold for mental retardation. By way of comparison, a dolphin is estimated to have an IQ of between 70 - 100. Bottlenose dolphins have a typical IQ of 126. These are all facts, check them.

These men lack the emotional and intellectual sophistication to function in a liberal western society.

These are but two examples of the nations we accept small boat men from, every day.

It is absolutely no mystery whatsoever why the conduct of these men is a big problem and a great threat to women in particular.

It would be more of a surprise if their behaviour was not a problem.

Or South Africa. A country where 25 - 40% of men will openly admit to rape in surveys. When you consider the "shy rapists", it will likely be big majority of them who are rapists. A country where superstitions abound, such as raping a virgin can cure of of HIV.

  • thank you, this is terrifying information bit we need to know. How did attitudes get so bad?
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Jane379 · 05/06/2026 15:59

BlueSherbet · 04/06/2026 22:12

There is no mystery why this is.

These men are from primitive, misogynistic cultures. Compared to the west they are 1000s of years behind.

Look at Afghanistan. The men dress young boys up as women and then rape them, because they think its wrong to have sex with the women. Most of them are inbred due to the common islamic practice of marrying your own family member = genetic issues. They follow a religion invented by a man who was a paedophile, a rapist, a slave owner and a mass murderer, which portrays both non-adherents and women as being inferior. They think God will reward them with sex for committing atrocities.

Or South Africa. A country where 25 - 40% of men will openly admit to rape in surveys. When you consider the "shy rapists", it will likely be big majority of them who are rapists. A country where superstitions abound, such as raping a virgin can cure of of HIV.

Low IQ predominates in both places. In SA its 77. Afghanistan its 88. Below 70 was traditionally considered the threshold for mental retardation. By way of comparison, a dolphin is estimated to have an IQ of between 70 - 100. Bottlenose dolphins have a typical IQ of 126. These are all facts, check them.

These men lack the emotional and intellectual sophistication to function in a liberal western society.

These are but two examples of the nations we accept small boat men from, every day.

It is absolutely no mystery whatsoever why the conduct of these men is a big problem and a great threat to women in particular.

It would be more of a surprise if their behaviour was not a problem.

They follow a religion invented by a man who was a paedophile, a rapist, a slave owner and a mass murderer, which portrays both non-adherents and women as being inferior. They think God will reward them with sex for committing atrocities.

  • while I think Muhammad was a decidedly unpleasant character (!), I don't agree with the implication that Muslim nations are therefore default dangerous. The problems in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq etc et. are much more to do with tribal honour and ethnic nationalism, like pashtunwali as I said to pp. If you look at Chinese Hui Muslims, or Muslims in other parts of Asia there's generally a lot more moderation due to cultural emphasis on harmony. Bosnian Muslims don't tend to behave like this, Soviet secularisation for one was a huge influence there. Moreover, Christian Arabs in various countries (Lebanon, Palestine & others) are often just as likely to be ethnically jingoistic and often anti Semitic, due to Arab nationalism.

Moreover,,as I said to pp, the Old Testament allows slavery, rape of captives among other things. The difference is that clearly Christianity and Judaism modernised whereas Islam became more fundamentalist rather than less due to movements like 18th century Wahhabism..

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Jane379 · 05/06/2026 15:49

SpaceRaccoon · 05/06/2026 09:06

@Jane379 I haven't read the whole thread, but there's this. Certain countries eg Pakistan, have the death penalty for rape. So if someone from a country with the death penalty for rape, commits rape and is found guilty, they then cannot be deported back there.
It basically incentives rape as a way not to be deported.

Oh no, that's another point. In that case it's not so much that rape (or at least some rape) isn't punished then, the problem is different.

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Jane379 · 05/06/2026 15:48

MsJinks · 05/06/2026 08:36

I already knew some of the stats of protesters. I also go on counter protests where it becomes very obvious who some of these people are - I’ve been called ‘slag’ many times - some guy hoped our ‘kids get raped’, mostly they just hope that we do tbf!! The protestors do use personal insults more than my side to get a rise and cause strife, but these comments, to my mind, just show exactly who they are. I’ve also seen aggression of course, and no respect for any wives they’ve brought along to admire them.

When they show me who they are I believe them - and all I think when they say they’re ’protecting women and children’ is that they want to save the rape and abuse for themselves!

I see a lot of liking for Reform ‘knowing what a woman is’ - I could agree in one literal sense - but what they also think a woman is, ie/ kitchen and sex fodder incapable of having choices over their own body, denied equality - then no, I could never align with that.

@BashthatTerriesorange- whilst I understand you can agree with one policy, then not the rest, and agree the same - in this case maintaining women’s spaces is not a good policy considering the dreadful other parts of policy around women.

’ - I could agree in one literal sense - but what they also think a woman is, ie/ kitchen and sex fodder incapable of having choices over their own body, denied equality - then no, I could never align with that.

  • I dislike Reform but this seems a bit exaggerated. A lot of women are prominent in Reform : Laila Mohammed, Linden Kemkaran, Sarah Pochin, as well as ex Tories like Braverman, Dorries etc
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womendeserveequalhumanrights · 05/06/2026 13:27

If we import too many of these men, women will lose their rights. We will have politicians and political parties openly calling for abolishing the vote for women and women's freedoms.

We could go the way of Afghanistan or Iran quite easily. Anyone who thinks that's not true is not paying attention.

In Afghanistan mumsnet would be illegal.

EasternStandard · 05/06/2026 10:08

Paganpentacle · 05/06/2026 09:25

It absolutely does make a difference.
They are coming from countries where women have zero rights, are seen as second class citizens and are property of men, and where rape and sexual violence is endemic.
They need to be not here. We do not owe them anything.

The problem is men line ignores a lot of the issues.

Plus knowing young men are more likely to commit violent or sexual offences why on earth would you design a system that did just that.

Women should absolutely say no, design a system for us.

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