AIBU to think some people on here are way too obsessed with not being seen as racist?

I see quite the opposite recently on this forum.

More and more I am seeing posts which dog whistle racism and in some cases are quite blatantly racist.

I think that There's enough awful things going on in this world at present without adding a tiny bit more hate and anger via a web site.

By and large I try to avoid subjects that spread hate and distrust.

Well we could ask the same about Stephen’s killers. Would they simply have hurled obscenities at anyone else and done the unthinkable? I doubt it. What we know is that they both killed somebody, and they made it about race at the time.

One was murdered; dying in police custody because he wasn't listened to.

One was murdered by the police who whilst he was 'in custody', proceeded to literally squeeze the life out of him.

If police presence is your common denominator, yes, police was present at some point at each incident.

They are otherwise incomparable, and trying to make them so is dunce at best, sickening at worst.

I’m sure voting for the guy who spent his formative years chanting Hitler Youth songs is the best way to bring the UK together.

Stephen Lawrence will stay in the mind of everyone, thanks to his mother who should never have been in this position, fighting to prove her son’s innocence. There has been repugnant attacks by police against POC.
I can’t remember the young lads name. I listened to a podcast about a young black boy. He stopped a gang rape, became a witness, he was bullied, terrorised and attacked by the community, the police intimidated his mother, threatened her with deportation if he did not give evidence despite being under horrendous threat they had to stay in the home. He was eventually killed. I remember hearing that podcast and thinking if only one person from the UK could have helped the family, fought against the police intimidation, supported them.

Was he?

Or is it equally as likely that he’d have murdered him regardless of colour and given another equally as nonsense “defence”?

We have absolutely no way of knowing what would have happened had he murdered someone who wasn’t white. Zero.

There are certain similarities because it was someone who was arrested and died in police custody - not exactly the same, I agree. But two people who died and were not listened to whilst in police custody.

I know that crimes taking place between people from different ethnicities doesn’t make it a race driven crime. Most of the time it won’t be.

But this was, because the victim was selected on the basis of being white and therefore able to ‘support’ his evil untrue ‘defence’.

I was beyond repulsed and shared that on here and publicly via my social media accounts. I still believe religion should not exempt people from the Rule of Law.

But George Flloyd isn’t a comparison is it? The cops murdered somebody on camera and would merrily have gotten away with it had it not been filmed and was in the context of many other such instances that have occurred over years to the extent that it created BLM to protest the frequency of police killings (and vigilante) murders) going uninvestigated nevermind unpunished (which was actually what the protests were about. Not one person.)

It’s apples and pears. The only actually comparable one I can recall is Stephen Lawrence (dying while the police assumed he was the perpetrator) and there wasn’t any greater outrage. There weren’t comments from three major political party leaders and nobody was even held to account for years, which was only due to the relentlessness of his family.

Then we need them to stand up and be counted, and say ‘not in my name’ as we do when the UK looks set to wage another war or a Stephen Lawrence type case happens. It isn’t enough to be quietly and privately disgusted, we need big shows of support. And many religions need to stop paying lip service to this and actually demonstrate it.

No, my response was clumsily framed..I am not Muslim but my Muslim friends were shocked too.
I just want to say that it"s not all about people of one race banding together.

Yes I’m sure they do - to be clear I’m not suggesting that all Muslim people felt it was ok or who would do the same. My point t was that the reason the girls were disbelieved and no action was taken was to avoid racial tensions.

The grooming gangs situation was atrocious. Those girls were horrifically treated.
Many S Asian people feel this way.

Then we must see very different reports - I know it has probably been over used the the Floyd George response is a classic eg of how things were in a similar situation.

those riots were allowed to run, despite the fact there was violence and destruction. In contrast when a vigil was held for Sarah Everard the police were unnecessarily man handling women - the optics are really poor.

Ditto the poor girls who were disbelieved over the Muslim grooming gangs.

anything that happens against people of colour gets turned into accusations of racism, so much so that similar situations are treated differently just so that those accusations can’t be made.

its got ridiculous and I think that is why so many people are outraged at how poor Henry was treated. An innocent young man, handcuffed whilst dying, offered no support, no empathy, disbelieved. Because he was white and the other person was an ethnic minority.

Yeah I dunno. When I consider the fairly muted response to the man who raped the Sikh woman because he thought she was muslim, I am not sure a bigger outrage would be made (granted she was not killed).
We have 1000 (at present) protesting outside of Southampton, comments from the leader of the opposition and ruling government and Farage using it to launch an investigation into “anti-white prejudice” I don’t believe the opposite would have a bigger outrage.

If someone has stabbed someone you don’t give them the benefit of the doubt and leave them unhandcuffed and possibly in possession of a knife

I agree that different ethnicities doesn’t automatically make something racially motivated.

sadly I do think that if the roles were reversed a lot of people would say it was that and the outrage would be greater.

For me, the fact that the attacker was prepared to (falsely) allege racism, makes this a form of racism. Plus all of the other things I have previously stated.

My question wasn’t a gotcha either. I know people believe any murderous event between people of different ethnicities must be racially motivated - I am not one of them - but I was wondering if some evidence has presented suggesting that was the case.

Even if the police had not believed Digwa, it is unlikely Nowak could have been saved as he died within minutes of the police arriving
I thought the outrage is that the poor young man died handcuffed and treated unfairly by people who thought he was the aggressor.

The process of dying must be extremely frightening. Dying with people you don't know must be horrible. Taking your last breath handcuffed, with no comfort but instead dirtied by one of the worse accusations possible must have been absolutely horrific.

The police should have given him the benefit of the doubt and allow him a less tragic death.

Fair enough, and as in this case, there may be no tangible evidence.

Yes.

out if interest, would you ask for evidence it was racially motivated if the roles of the attacker and the attacked were reversed?

To me, a false accusation of racism is in itself a racially motivated attack.

That’s not evidence it was racially motivated.

To be clear nowhere am I questioning or saying that the family were not repugnant (and, I would argue the mom and brother criminal).
I am asking if their is evidence that the treatment of the victim was racially motivated.

Yes and all so he'd die before the murderer was held to account. All this desperation to paint the family as anything other than repugnant is embarrassing. It's just proving the OP's point.