AIBU to think some people on here are way too obsessed with not being seen as racist?

Of course.

I find it quite incredible that you’re here desperately scrabbling for excuses to exonerate a murderer from their racism. I think it’s time for you to step back and look at where you have ended up.

No actually there have been many instances where the killers words / behaviour / actions have provided reason for motive. We don’t
have that here. You are presuming he chose his excuse before he murdered somebody? Rather than as an after the fact excuse. Also the victim did not have to be white for him to make that claim. He could easily be black, East Asian, British Pakistani etc.

So you expect men to protest VAWG?

This is hilarious. Marched to protest….a convicted murderer who has been tried,
convicted and sentences?

And that’s comparable to protesting ongoing actions of a government that is supported by our government.

What a hoot!

(There many white British child abuse gangs and I have never seen white people protest that. Nor do I expect to.)

Although many on the left think being against Jews is just fine and dandy…

And I wasn’t talking about you was I? You just assumed I was. And no, I don’t expect all ‘brown’ as you put it, people to be out protesting. I would like to see proper displays of condemnation from ANY community whose members have committed unspeakable crimes. Mine did; and I have never sought to underplay it, cover it up, ‘what about..’ or anything else. Full condemnation and disgust and I turned my back on most of it. So you can’t say I don’t practice as I preach. Now it’s everyone else’s turn.

Nobody cares about Travellers as a race. Travellers that have abandoned that lifestyle, and live settled, law-abiding lives are not discriminated against. Travellers that travel the land, breaking law after law as they go and leaving mess and destruction behind, quite rightly, are not particularly liked or welcome.

Did men walk when Sarah Everard was murdered? Or the Hunt family?

Personally I avoid all marches these days. They get violent.

It's quite baffling that you expect all brown people to be out protesting. I am neither Muslim nor Pakistani.

Everything is an assumption in these cases because in very few do the killers loudly proclaim they murdered somebody on account of their race. But the fabrication given afterwards speaks volumes - he knew that he would kill somebody, he know the cover up would be ‘they were racist’, therefore his victim had to be white.

Ideally I would like to see as many marches and online displays of concern about members of those communities as I do about Palestine and similar. Everyone seems to have no problems mobilising for Palestine but I doubt there will be widespread marches of disgust by community members regarding the grooming gangs, for instance. I would absolutely expect it from white Brits if the situation was reversed. And actually many white Brits do mobilise against racism, so you can’t say ‘nobody else is expected to do this’

I have noticed both IRL and MN that it depends who and what race is being targeted. The horrible things said about Travellers is often overlooked and reinforced.

How do you want me to stand up and be counted exactly?

The problem is that politics shift. Some forms of racism are seen as decidedly more palatable than others when expedient.

In most instances I'm fairly impervious to others' opinions of me, but I have no wish to be seen as racist. More importantly, from the viewpoint of my own conscience, I have no wish to BE racist.

To fuck up is to be human, and if I do that I will apologise. But I'm always suspicious of the 'it couldn't happen here' line of defence. My employer, which some would doubtless call 'woke', did this when one of their staff was racially profiled. Rather than saying 'that's unacceptable, we'll deal with it', they immediately denied that such a thing could ever happen in their pristine instititution because the optics were bad for them. They were more concerned with their public image than the wellbeing of their staff.

All the while, they were waving 'Allies' flags everywhere.

The 'that never happens' line of defence is suspicious no matter where it's trotted out. Because we all know that it does.

But the events have spoken have the? They have provided zero evidence. You can assume that he was killed because he was white. But it's just an assumption without further evidence.

We don’t know why anyone selects their victims unless they explicitly state why. But the events speak for themselves.

But we have the evidence of their racial abuse and racist background don't we? We may yet get that for Digwa but we have not to date.

Where did you read Digwa selected him as a victim because he was white?

Well no - one died due to police inaction (I assume he could have been saved), one was murdered by police and it took protests and video evidence for investigators to bother to investigate.

It's not "Not exactly the same". It's not remotely the same. I mean yes the police were present. But that's the only similarity.

That all came about when their ethos moved from force to a service. Other European police forces must be laughing at us.

And I am entitled to make what comparisons I want to. You carry on with your personal insults, the irony that you try to make such comments from your high horse.

Well.

We couldn’t, because we know from evidence that Stephen Lawrence’s killers used racially aggravated language towards him (including insults that started with the word “black..” and the n word) during the attack.

And we don’t know similar happened here.

You’re assuming it did. Which is different.

I’m absolutely not disputing the obviously disgusting behaviour of the murderer, and his family, but you can’t call it racially aggravated murder unless you know it is.

Which you don’t.

The police need to go back to basics and stick to fighting crime instead of trying to be social workers or sociologists.

I never condone racism but are people allowed to be angry? Isn’t this a human reaction to a terrible crime where authorities have badly let down the victim? I don’t like this framing ANY reaction or blame or questioning as ‘hate and anger’ that is somehow unjustified.

Or voting for the anti-semitic Green party as an alternative. Which many MNetters admit to.