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AIBU to think some people on here are way too obsessed with not being seen as racist?

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BadWordlePlayer · 02/06/2026 08:49

I’m posting in AIBU because this has been niggling at me for a while with the tone of so many threads lately, but it's really blown up following the bodycam footage of the Henry Nowak case.

There seem to be loads of posts these days where people are basically showing off how not racist they are, or how much they hate racists or the 'far right', or jumping in to call something racist at the slightest thing. It feels performative, like they’re desperate to signal their virtue and make sure everyone knows they’re on the “right” side. I get that racism is bad, obviously, but it sometimes feels like it’s taken over to the point where common sense goes out the window.

Henry Nowak shows how dangerous this mindset is. This poor 18-year-old student was stabbed multiple times by Vickrum Digwa, who then lied to the police claiming Henry had racially abused him. The officers took that accusation at face value, handcuffed Henry while he was lying there bleeding out and saying he couldn’t breathe, and didn’t treat him as the victim urgently enough. He died in police custody essentially. The mindset of those officers sounds exactly like the over-the-top “must not be perceived as racist” attitude you see in some threads here. They sidelined a dying boy because of a racism claim (which turned out to be a complete lie). That’s not just sad — it’s dangerous.

This isn't a left wing / right wing post and I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist or that we shouldn’t call it out when it’s real. I also hate the phrase "virtue signalling", but I can't think of a better one than it. This constant virtue-signalling and knee-jerk reactions make situations like Henry’s more likely, not less. People (including police) become so paralysed by the fear of getting it wrong on race that they get it horrifically wrong on everything else.

Am I being unreasonable? Or has anyone else noticed this shift on MN and in general?

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 02/06/2026 22:26

MaturingCheeseball · 02/06/2026 10:37

But we are not afforded the same tolerance and respect.

I have very good Muslim friends. But they are middle class and although they have some of their own traditions, live life as ordinary British people.

The majority of more recent immigrants are from poorer backgrounds and no desire or intention to aspire to “Western values”. In fact we know that our women are largely viewed as degenerate. Applauding that really is suicidal empathy.

When a student in Nottingham dd and her friends were more than once abused by young boys living across the road - children of SE Asian immigrants - shouting ‘Dirty white whores!’ at them. The boys were no more than 9 or 10.
No prizes for guessing where such attitudes had come from.

VeganSteakAndFries · 02/06/2026 22:15

How on earth is it “performative “ to hate racism. Honestly. Giver yer bloody head a wobble!

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 22:13

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 22:09

As I said, as a BAME ( hate the term but there is no other) I am only required to do as much as any white person: follow the laws, pay my taxes, raise my children to do the same. I do not feel the need to prove myself any further. I am not sure why you think I attended the Palestine marches. I did not.

I am sorry if that offends you. But that's where I am.

Edited

It doesn’t offend me at all, and I have no expectations of anybody beyond your list.

My point is the hypocrisy. That if this had been the murder of (eg) an Asian boy by a white boy, who had told the police when they attended that the Asian boy had attacked him shouting Alluhu Akbar (or whatever), and the police had cuffed the Asian lad and watched him bleed to death while reading him his rights, it would absolutely be seen as a racist murder. You wouldn’t BE saying ‘let’s not stoke division by accusing white people of racism’, you would be saying how appalling and racist it was and demanding change.

Yet because Henry was white your knee jerk is to accuse the victim’s ethnicity of racism which is utter madness.

The double standard is what I am objecting to.

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 22:09

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 22:02

Yes it’s always ‘performative’ when it requires you to actually do something that makes you uncomfortable.

As I said, as a BAME ( hate the term but there is no other) I am only required to do as much as any white person: follow the laws, pay my taxes, raise my children to do the same. I do not feel the need to prove myself any further. I am not sure why you think I attended the Palestine marches. I did not.

I am sorry if that offends you. But that's where I am.

Jedentag · 02/06/2026 22:07

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:33

So you think Stand up to Racism, Antifa, the Palestine marches etc are performative and should stand down?

Absolutely

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 22:02

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 21:55

You miss the point. All protests are valid if non-violent. Luckily we have the right to protest in this country.

What I take exception to is your bossy tone urging people to protest. And then the patting yourself on the back for expressing disgust over something someone did.

It's all very performative and not me. Not for most people, I imagine.

Yes it’s always ‘performative’ when it requires you to actually do something that makes you uncomfortable.

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 22:01

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 21:55

You miss the point. All protests are valid if non-violent. Luckily we have the right to protest in this country.

What I take exception to is your bossy tone urging people to protest. And then the patting yourself on the back for expressing disgust over something someone did.

It's all very performative and not me. Not for most people, I imagine.

But they’re not non violent. Very few large protests experience no arrests and the Palestine mob are notorious for criminal damage, antisemitism and violent acts. Should they be banned in your view?

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 21:55

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:48

Well well well. So - very left wing protests are justified and authentic, but anything which in way could be seen to be protesting the actions of people that aren’t white would be performative and a waste of time? You sound ludicrous.

You miss the point. All protests are valid if non-violent. Luckily we have the right to protest in this country.

What I take exception to is your bossy tone urging people to protest. And then the patting yourself on the back for expressing disgust over something someone did.

It's all very performative and not me. Not for most people, I imagine.

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:53

JHound · 02/06/2026 21:42

If that’s what you are choosing to read I cannot help you.

I refuse to believe that had the races been reversed you would be here saying ‘let’s not use this to stoke division and hate’, you would be saying what a racism problem the UK has, and how we need radical change etc.

But because the victim was white, you’re all ‘we don’t know this FOR SURE’ and trying to think the best of his killer and offer up excuses. It’s awful.

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:49

MaturingCheeseball · 02/06/2026 21:42

Yes. They are full of rent-a-mob anti-establishment idiots. I’ve seen them goading the police with cameras held up, spitting in police officers’ faces, shrieking at tourists through megaphones - going into restaurants no less to do this, littering with impunity…

Absolutely. But, all justified, cos racism/Palestine etc

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:48

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 21:39

No. But I don't accept your pious exhortion for Muslims or Hindus or Sikhs to protest everytime one of their community does something bad.

We don't need to do anything to be British except mind our own houses and follow the laws, as the majority of white people do.

Well well well. So - very left wing protests are justified and authentic, but anything which in way could be seen to be protesting the actions of people that aren’t white would be performative and a waste of time? You sound ludicrous.

JHound · 02/06/2026 21:46

LadyVioletBridgerton · 02/06/2026 21:45

It’s like when certain sectors of society seem to be able to get away with crimes by saying ‘you’re only arresting me because I’m xxx’ (could relate to colour/religion etc)

No mate, you’re being arrested because you’ve just shoplifted £300 of goods In Sainsbury’s or stabbed someone 🤷‍♀️

Who has got away with crime by saying that?

JHound · 02/06/2026 21:45

Sartre · 02/06/2026 21:39

I think this might have actually played a part here. Rather than making this a brown v white thing, the Sikhs I have met have also been genuinely lovely and gentle people and it may be the case that the police officers (wrongly) saw the turban and stereotyped him as just that… Plus he had relatives there backing him up let’s not forget!

If you turned up to a crime scene, couldn’t see any visible blood at all, had a man and his relatives saying this person had racially abused them then you would naturally listen to this. I’m assuming Nowak wasn’t in a big pool of blood from what I’ve read so it wasn’t blindingly obvious he was telling the truth until it was too late.

I said this and some scoffed but I always think this kind of veneration of Sikh people had a huge role to play in why the police reacted as they did.

LadyVioletBridgerton · 02/06/2026 21:45

It’s like when certain sectors of society seem to be able to get away with crimes by saying ‘you’re only arresting me because I’m xxx’ (could relate to colour/religion etc)

No mate, you’re being arrested because you’ve just shoplifted £300 of goods In Sainsbury’s or stabbed someone 🤷‍♀️

JHound · 02/06/2026 21:42

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 21:39

No. But I don't accept your pious exhortion for Muslims or Hindus or Sikhs to protest everytime one of their community does something bad.

We don't need to do anything to be British except mind our own houses and follow the laws, as the majority of white people do.

We don't need to do anything to be British except mind our own houses and follow the laws, as the majority of white people do.

LOUDER. For the people at the back!

MaturingCheeseball · 02/06/2026 21:42

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:33

So you think Stand up to Racism, Antifa, the Palestine marches etc are performative and should stand down?

Yes. They are full of rent-a-mob anti-establishment idiots. I’ve seen them goading the police with cameras held up, spitting in police officers’ faces, shrieking at tourists through megaphones - going into restaurants no less to do this, littering with impunity…

JHound · 02/06/2026 21:42

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:29

I find it quite incredible that you’re here desperately scrabbling for excuses to exonerate a murderer from their racism. I think it’s time for you to step back and look at where you have ended up.

If that’s what you are choosing to read I cannot help you.

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 21:39

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:33

So you think Stand up to Racism, Antifa, the Palestine marches etc are performative and should stand down?

No. But I don't accept your pious exhortion for Muslims or Hindus or Sikhs to protest everytime one of their community does something bad.

We don't need to do anything to be British except mind our own houses and follow the laws, as the majority of white people do.

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:39

JHound · 02/06/2026 21:37

Neither. It’s stupid. Weird how people who whine about virtue signalling insist on this type of virtue signalling.

How convenient

Sartre · 02/06/2026 21:39

Moskau · 02/06/2026 09:16

Most of the sikhs I know are nice people. They have good food, good music and are all nice to be around.

I think this might have actually played a part here. Rather than making this a brown v white thing, the Sikhs I have met have also been genuinely lovely and gentle people and it may be the case that the police officers (wrongly) saw the turban and stereotyped him as just that… Plus he had relatives there backing him up let’s not forget!

If you turned up to a crime scene, couldn’t see any visible blood at all, had a man and his relatives saying this person had racially abused them then you would naturally listen to this. I’m assuming Nowak wasn’t in a big pool of blood from what I’ve read so it wasn’t blindingly obvious he was telling the truth until it was too late.

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:39

JHound · 02/06/2026 21:37

Sigh….people generally protest for something to actually be effected by that change.

What exactly is achieved by a bunch of Sikhs heading out to protest chanting “we disagree with this bad thing somebody who is Sikh did!”

Edited

Can’t you just answer?

JHound · 02/06/2026 21:37

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:33

So you think Stand up to Racism, Antifa, the Palestine marches etc are performative and should stand down?

Sigh….people generally protest for something to actually be effected by that change.

What exactly is achieved by a bunch of Sikhs heading out to protest chanting “we disagree with this bad thing somebody who is Sikh did!”

JHound · 02/06/2026 21:37

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 21:30

It's all so performative really. I see no need to do all this condemnation and disgust in public every time someone from my community does something bad and make it about myself. Community heads can do that.
Best we have fewer marches really in London.

Neither. It’s stupid. Weird how people who whine about virtue signalling insist on this type of virtue signalling.

Twisterlollies · 02/06/2026 21:33

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 21:30

It's all so performative really. I see no need to do all this condemnation and disgust in public every time someone from my community does something bad and make it about myself. Community heads can do that.
Best we have fewer marches really in London.

So you think Stand up to Racism, Antifa, the Palestine marches etc are performative and should stand down?

JaneFondue · 02/06/2026 21:30

JHound · 02/06/2026 20:48

So you expect men to protest VAWG?

It's all so performative really. I see no need to do all this condemnation and disgust in public every time someone from my community does something bad and make it about myself. Community heads can do that.
Best we have fewer marches really in London.