AIBU to think some people on here are way too obsessed with not being seen as racist?

I wouldn’t be educated enough to put my thoughts into words. I’ll try carefully mass immigration is having a massive effect on the country, hmo’s are a nightmare for communities, the difference in culture is causing issues.
I understand that men are allowed to hassle women in the Middle East and certain parts of Africa. This is only a small number of men out of 1000’s but the streets feel unsafe.
1000’s of working visas offered to India has also caused a rise in tension when rents are astronomical in price, hospital appointments are non existent, if you can find somewhere to rent you’d be lucky, not a filthy pod in a hostel.
Businesses are impacted by the hotels being closed down to the public.
Ireland’s knife crimes have escalated rapidly since the Ukrainian war and open border policy.
Domestic abuse incidents increased rapidly.
Prior to 2022, most people were happy with the diversity, the children all played, neighbours chatted, some of the Muslim children are not allowed to play, but overall everyone ticked along nicely.
The rise in immigration has brought out the worst in people on both sides. Everyone is on edge.
My niece is married to a man from Malawi, they have one child, a second in the way, he was born here and often gets shouted at to go home.

H.e.a.d I.n. s.a.n.d.

There was a thread a few months ago. A poster saying a neighbour had put a note through the door saying they were hosting a wedding so for 5 days there'd be music into the night and more cars parked in the road.

The first few posts were saying how they wouldn't be happy with that then someone said 5 days? is it an Indian wedding? OP said yes and then you had dozens of posters falling over themselves to say how much they would LOVE that in their street. The music, the wonderful colourful outfits, the fantastic food smells. Oh i'm jealous OP, i'd want to join in! Is it the wedding you object to? or all the brown people? Oh don't be a spoilsport, you can put up with parking your car somewhere else and put ear plugs in if you don't want to hear all the people enjoying themselves.

Till the OP pointed out she was also Indian and didn't appreciate the virtue signalling and as she'd said, people who have to go to work or have kids that need sleep shouldn't be inconvenienced for 5 days because of a wedding.

If it was Kayleigh and Jaydens wedding I don't think MN would have been quite so thrilled with the idea of a 5 day noisy celebration and call 101, complain to whoever will listen will have been the order of the day.

That's one example off the top of my head.

You shouldn't have to name change. The fact you've felt the need is very telling.

I haven’t noticed much virtue signaling on MN, but I’ve definitely seen a lot of racism and xenophobia on here.

Sounds like the police were completely incompetent and lacking in empathy, and I doubt very much that they’d have done a better job had races been reversed.

You keep mentioning that “Muslims are an ethnicity”. That is not the case.

Someone is Muslim if their religion is Islam. A Muslim can be from any country, or can be any colour. There are European Muslims (Albanians for example are often Muslim), there are Chinese Muslims etc.

I voted in agreement because I agree but didn’t dare comment, I think that’s what we have been conditioned to do.
The voting shows this.
Ok so I have commented now (name changed of course) but only to say yes you’ve hit the nail on the head here.

so you think those values do not exist in non Muslim households? How extraordinarily bigoted of you
as bigoted as if I said that all Muslims shroud their womenfolk, subject their daughters to genital mutilation, seek jihad, and rape young white girls and women. . I do not however say or think that and I make a clear distinction between Muslims, an ethnicity, and Islam a medieval religion that has as little place in modern day society as the catholics at the time of the Spanish Inquisition.

no I think everything you describe is normal behaviour tbh.

Incredibly well put….I agree with everything you say

@Dweetfidilove “If police officers are being trained to be mindful of racism, that is a good thing. That does not, however, incapacitates well trained officers' ability to make sound judgement.
I expect that a group of officers arriving on scene are trained to secure an area, then safeguard the vulnerable. You take the accused aside and someone sees to the person on the ground, not resisting but telling you they are injured.
Anti-racism training does not cause an officer to ignore an individual on the ground, pleading that they have been stabbed.”

We will see, but if you introduce an additional priority into people’s jobs then it will affect how they do them—how could it not?—and it might even result in them being unable to perform the function that they are actually supposed to be there for.

We’ve already seen it happen. Recall for example the Ariana Grande bombing, and the security guard who decided not to challenge the bomber because he didn’t want to appear racist.

Next time there's a Reform thread and there are many of them, you can see the evidence.

I think you’re conflating a lot of disparate issues. But to answer your key question, I haven’t noticed a trend of people making posts about how not racist they are on MN.

I'm not conflating religion and ethnicity at all. I specifically responded to your claim that "Islam is incompatible with western values".

My point is that I've known many practising Muslims who believe in democracy, freedom of speech, religious freedom and peaceful coexistence. Those seem like western values to me.

You're free to criticise aspects of any religion, including Islam, but saying an entire religion is incompatible with western society is a claim built on intolerance and ignorance and is demonstrably false by the reality of millions of Muslims living perfectly ordinary lives across Britain and the wider West.

Also, I haven't called you racist. I challenged a particular view. Disagreeing with someone's argument isn't the same thing as calling them names.

Well said. Evidenced by the interpretation of Farage's "pure cold rage" thinking it's inciting riots. Thick as pig shit not to see the meaning behind that phrase. Everyone should be feeling enraged at the police response.

See we have many values in common. But in my world women are free to work if they so wish, they don't have to hide their hair or body and they are basically FREE. In Islam women are second class citizens.

And I would agree with you. Which is why I clearly said that skin colour is irrelevant, it is not something to be proud or ashamed of, it just is, it is out of an individuals control. Which makes the people who focus in on it constantly the real racists

I don’t think people believe racism as it used to be, when the word was coined, exists anymore. The objection to untrammelled immigration has been called racist, so the word has broken, it’s been cheapened, misused, it no longer has meaning.

also, people nowadays pretend that people don’t like people with coloured skin. It’s so absurdly facile to people that are objecting to demographic insult, to pretend it’s about skin colour.

it becomes apparent that is people of low intelligence that rely on the word racist as a lever to put them on their high horse. So immediately they have zero credibility.

I hate it that when you complain about something legitimate- like antisocial behaviour- you're a racist. I don't care what colour the person who's misbehaving is- I just want the behaviour to stop. Our new neighbours have said that I'm racist because I complained about them moving stuff and screaming while playing video games in the middle of the night🙄. Like your origin shouldn't make you a target but it's not to be used as a shield either.

you are conflating Islam a religion, with Muslim an ethnicity, not surprising as often people like you are too quick to read or hear what they want rather than what is said
Those screaming racism where there is none are without doubt the dullest, as in boring , and most intellectually challenged people. However as I said before I don’t care what people like you think.

Fantastic post @BusyExpert

I’d go further and say that some western cultures have no place in modern Europe. Any culture that places unequal value or expectations on women and men is an anathema. Plenty of “white” examples of that.

Yeah, as a Muslim, I agree that Islam is incompatible with Western values.

Muslim kids are taught to respect their parents instead of swearing at them and treating them like garbage. Fathers are expected to actually raise their children instead of acting like "babysitting" their own kids is some heroic favour.

A lot of modern Western men want “50/50” while their wife works like a horse, pays bills, cooks, cleans, does laundry, raises the children, handles the house, and still gets cheated on - by a man whose hardest daily task is choosing between football, gaming, alcohol, weed or scrolling on his phone (when he's not cheating, that is).

In Islam, a woman’s money is her money. A man pays the bills. He maintains the home. He is accountable for his family. A woman isn’t even obligated to breastfeed her own child in Islamic law. Muslim women aren't expected to financially provide, raise children, manage the home, and pretend this exhaustion is empowerment.

Muslim children usually grow up with one mother and one father — not random new partners rotating through the house every year. We discipline our children instead of letting TikTok and iPads raise them. Oh, and teenage pregnancies in Muslim families are practically unheard of. As is being sexually abused by our family members and family friends.

We don’t glorify hookup culture, OnlyFans, porn, gambling, alcoholism, and getting high every weekend like it’s some enlightened lifestyle. This is not our idea of freedom.

Muslims care deeply for their parents and family members when they get old — we don't throw them into care homes, visit twice a year out of guilt, and gleefully wait for their deaths so we can cash in on our inheritances.

We avoid interest and debt because we believe being a slave to corrupt banks isn’t right or freedom. We happily give charity because helping people is an obligation for us, not a superficial performance.

So yeah, I agree with you. Islam is totally incompatible with Western values.

And since you seem so happy and proud to absorb the label of racist, here you go: you absolutely are a racist.

I suspect quite a few of those people are going to be feeling very stupid with the release of Henry's arrest video. This is the culmination of the race card being used and empowered by the left. The other thread on two tier policing shows some very vile human beings whose priority is to call everyone racist. Not shock and disgust or compassion for everything that Henry Nowak went through. Their virtue signalling has been shown for what it is.