AIBU to think some people on here are way too obsessed with not being seen as racist?

Totally agree with you.

Looking for racism everywhere is part of the West’s decline into irrelevance. Starting with Europe.

It’s some kind of post rational, post truth, cult like obsession where logic is just so old school. Why celebrate treating people equally. Once the west had largely started to achieve that, it had to be about going one step further. Creating victims and victim narratives.

Of course, people will use it to play the race card, like this killer did. He has a free pass on killing someone in cold blood, and using the madness created by white saviour syndrome to excuse his behavior. This is utter madness.

The truth is that most rational Muslim people and people from ethnic minorities see this madness for what it is. Ever wonder why women from minorities are over represented on the right of politics. You know, the ones the progressive racists like to call names like ‘coconut’ because they refuse to conform to their version of victims that need to be saved.

The problem is that the police were there because they were called for a racist attack, so they’re automatically going to go in believing whoever called it in initially. It’s not like they just came across a random fight and just assumed it must be the white man at fault.

I find threads like this a bit tedious as it’s always one way outrage and just trying to cause more of a racism divide. There should be compassion for any victim of a senseless attack. The people who keep banging on and on about the Rochdale grooming gangs (which yes is horrific but it seems to be the only example the racists have all pounced on) don’t seem to show any outrage at the likes of the Epstein files or the horrific abuse at the hands of Catholic priests. Or have any comments when a Sikh girl gets raped for her ethnicity. It’s only when there’s a chance to demonise anyone non white that the pitchforks comes out.

Why can’t we show compassion for everyone who is a victim of a horrendous crime and stop ignoring the fact that far more rapes/assaults/murders in this country are committed by white men. Male violence is the problem, across every ethnicity!

*It used to be that we all understood what racism was: calling a black person horrible names; denying work to an Irish person; beating up an Asian man for being Asian; graffiti on a synagogue. Laws were introduced to combat these things and they because less socially acceptable (although of course they didn't disappear altogether, unfortunately).

The problem is that as that old style racism was mostly being sorted out, a new style of racism had to be invented to keep the DEI industry going. This included things like microaggressions, anti-colonialism, defunding the police etc. As actual racism became less and less of an actual problem, the fight against racism because more intense, judgemental and puritanical, which lead to increased hypocrisy, fear and virtue-signalling. In a system that judges every arrest of a black man as racist and posts everything a police officer does online, of course that's going to distort how people behave*
I've never read it described so well and accurately.

So I you suggesting victims of racism shouldn’t take it so personally and are just snowflakes? Or just disabled people?

I'm sorry but you sound so uneducated. 'Muslim' is categorically NOT an ethnicity. A Muslim is a person who follows Islam. If you follow or convert to Islam, you are Muslim. You are very loud and wrong on this thread.

People are no longer walking on eggshells with policed language in case someone somewhere takes it the wrong way and clutches their pearls. Mental health is failing in our culture, and being robust enough to know what to take personally and what not to take personally is an essential skill.
Snowflake Pandering Officially Finished.

Of course I hope that Henry Nowak rests in peace, but I wouldnt be surprised if every night he haunts his murderer and the police who mistreated him.

It's an absolute disgrace.

It’s a bit of the same.
Both sides see the worst in each other.
My DH a western man would never do the things that the poster mentioned as normal for western families, like wise all Muslim man aren’t honourable loyal husbands. Some don’t help their wife, they’re interested in fathering as many children as possible.

What a pile of horseshit. You must live in a very deprived area if this is your experience. You sound so very racist. I am quite pleased that Western men are not encouraged to beat their wives or make them cover up.
Anyone coming to live in a Western country should abide by Western rules and culture.

People may know exactly what the issues are and still legitimately disagree with you - I certainly have experienced insidious prejudice of various kinds, but I don't think it's helpful (in fact, I think it's counter-productive) to create a climate of fear around it. I'm of the belief that you can police overt behaviour but you can't and shouldn't police what people think, which is what the current anti-racism movement wants to do.

As for the boys who committed rape, they were from a traveller community and it is certainly possible that that influenced how the police managed the situation.

This is what happens when minorities have been given the loudest voices and platforms to shout them from. The Government and Police are walking on eggshells round them, hence this mess.

Are footballers out bending their knees for Henry Novak? They wouldn't dare.

A new style of racism had to be invented? Get a grip. You have obviously never been on the receiving end of subtle insidious racism or discrimination.

As for the original point, if the murderer was a white man and the police had taken the same exact claim at face value, then it would be assumed they have acted wrongly and made a gross error. But purely because the murderer is NOT white, his race absolutely must be the number one reason why police believed him.

How about it’s crazy behaviour to claim you’re the victim when you’re the attacker and the police completely failed to recognise this as the behaviour of a madman and reacted in panic instead of investigating the immediate scene calmly?

It’s exactly the same issue with those boys who committed rape in Fordingham. They had previously been reported for incidents of violence, sexual aggression and animal abuse but the police had not recorded anything and let them go each time. That meant their history was not raised in the rape case. Had they been black or brown boys, those very same police taking those very same actions would have been accused of being too afraid of being called racist. The same police errors and actions are framed differently when it’s a white vs non-white attacker.

This is all just people wanting to spin a tragedy to aid their own racial / political agenda.

My point is people only care when it affects them. Reading that comment offended me as I have family with profound learning disabilities/intellectual challenges and I found it disgusting and in poor taste.
When all discrimination is treated the same then I will respect it but all the time someone can say something that derogatory as to compare someone to another human beings condition then I won’t be tiptoeing around making sure not to offend other religions/races because that’s not equality at all, it’s just saying well those feelings aren’t as valid despite being just as hurtful.

You've actually just made my point. You say a Chinese person who follows Islam 'remains Chinese'. Exactly, because ethnicity doesn't change with religion.

But then you say an Englishman who converts to Islam doesn't become a Muslim, which only works if 'Muslim' is an ethnicity, the very thing you agreed it isn't a sentence earlier. An Englishman who converts to Islam is a Muslim.

To give you some more examples:

• A Chinese Muslim can be ethnically Chinese and religiously Muslim.
• An Albanian Muslim can be ethnically Albanian and religiously Muslim.
• An English Muslim can be ethnically English, and white, and religiously Muslim.

Lets just look in a dictionary:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/muslim

"A Muslim is someone who believes in Islam and lives according to its rules."

The word "Muslim" refers to adherence to Islam, not ethnicity. This isn't something debatable, this is just fact.

This thread in all likelihood is going to lead to just about everyone disagreeing and feeling insulted.

This is why I don't believe in discussing racism as a concept because everyone is talking at cross purposes, misinterpreting what people are trying to say or badly expressing their views.

I only ever talk about racism with those I'm very close to so that if there is any misinterpretation, we can just calmly explain ourselves without judgement.

What an absolute load of garbage. You try to paint islam as all wonderful and the west as all bad.

Talking out of your arse.

I've seen it all unfold on threads.

And what is your point exactly? You seem to think the word ‘ slur’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. It isn’t.

Exactly.

'I get that racism is bad, obviously, but..'

Your opening post seems to suggest that racism should be acceptable aslong as you do not take it too far. Racism is never ok. Saying that women shouldn't have to cover their hair is not racist. People that state that it is racist are wrong. People wrongly believing something is racist is different to racism being ok in any shape or form and that is why I think YABU.

Referring to someone as most intellectually challenged people is a disability slur and just as insulting as a racist slur.
You used that disability comparison as an insult.

You are wrong. Chinese Muslim are ethnically different to the indigenous Chinese. And so on. If ethnically Chinese people worship Islam they remain Chinese
To follow the logic of what you are saying is that all Europeans must be Christians. If an Englishman converts to Islam does he become a Muslim? No
I know plenty of Muslims that do not practice Islam or follow its dictates they are all integrated follow western laws and social norms.