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Young people in the UK have it tough

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JiIttiIg · 01/06/2026 20:59

All the news stories are about young people not getting jobs and having to stay with their parents. It used to be they had to stay at home to save for a house, now it's no house and no jobs. Can't see things getting any better in the near future. Is the UK now a country that is failing it's young people. Is it going to be like countries from Eastern or Southern Europe where young people had to outmigrate in order to get a decent life? Can't see any politicians having the right answers.

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JiIttiIg · 02/06/2026 09:53

I don't think it's the benefits bill for the lazy.lots on UC are working, most of the benefits are pensions. I just don't know what anyone can do. We can save for the kids' house deposit but unless you have a business or are an elite, I can't job create for my kids.

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Backedoffhackedoff · 02/06/2026 09:52

EasternStandard · 02/06/2026 09:47

As pp said CT isn’t just for large corporations it’s for start ups and people choosing to create something new here, or not.

It’s not for people though, ever.

the very rich CEO of Google doesn’t live in Ireland, for example.

so low CT might attract headquarters, but it doesn’t attract the wealthy individuals the post was originally about (the wealthy fleeing UK due to tax)

JuliaBraverman · 02/06/2026 09:52

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/06/2026 09:50

when was that in the 90s or 2000s? I came out of the 2000s on a 0.5% rate 🤨

Early 90’s … many people had negative equity.

crackofdoom · 02/06/2026 09:51

footbeds · 02/06/2026 08:16

People don’t realise an ageing population is expensive & wonder why the welfare spend is increasing!

To be fair, they've had quite a lot of help to "not realise" that. A relentless media campaign on all fronts designed to detract from the real source of the problem- an ageing population- and to instead demonise the young and workless is going to do that.

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/06/2026 09:50

ScarlettOYara · 02/06/2026 09:46

Unless when sky high interest rates hit, you couldn't pay your mortgage and you had negative equity and had to sell cheaply.

when was that in the 90s or 2000s? I came out of the 2000s on a 0.5% rate 🤨

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 02/06/2026 09:50

Our government is actively discouraging people from recruiting young people. I’ve spoken to employers who’ve said they will never again recruit someone for their first job, despite having entry level roles, because of the cost and difficulty in getting rid of people it’s not work taking the gamble.

Say what you want about a Tory government, but under them I was able to find a grad job starting 3 months after I graduated, cover my own rent, buy a flat at 22 and buy our house at 29 (without having to sell the flat).

I’m not sure many can say the same under a Labour government. Although I will anecdotally observe that all the young people I know have managed to get jobs as soon as they’ve finished education, and in most cases without getting a degree (in career type jobs too, eg with an airline, as a TA, on a management pathway in a supermarket) in the past few years, but the jobs aren’t enough for them to be able to move out and sustain themselves.

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2026 09:48

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/06/2026 09:45

This. Jesus the 90s and 2000s were an absolute golden age.

I wouldn’t go as far as that! Nobody was handing their keys back because they couldn’t pay their mortgage in the 70s or getting their house repossessed. I can never remember a time as bleak as this though.

ScarlettOYara · 02/06/2026 09:48

FernandoSor · 02/06/2026 09:45

Yes, until the early 80s, most young people left school at 16. And got jobs. That's the point - jobs were available, even for the unskilled. Whatever job your mother was doing at 14, there is a high chance it no longer exists - and even if it does, the minimum age is probably 18 and she would be competing with hundreds of others for it.

Still not the situation that previous generations had it easy. Some people on here do seem to have been very privileged, though. Perhaps that skews the vision.

EasternStandard · 02/06/2026 09:47

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/06/2026 08:11

Also, to state the obvious, wealthy people don’t pay corporation tax. Corporations do. It doesn’t impact where wealthy people chose to live.

As pp said CT isn’t just for large corporations it’s for start ups and people choosing to create something new here, or not.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 02/06/2026 09:46

GaurdRails · 02/06/2026 07:59

It's not that straight forward. There are lots of entrepreneurs and high-wealth people living in high-tax countries like Scandanavia. They choose to stay because they seen the outcome of their taxes in stability and good quality of life. That would indicate that it's not taxation itself that's the issue, it's that we don't see our taxes translating into good infrastructure. And having a welfare state has been found to be an encouragement to starting a new business, as people know that they will still have food on the table if they fail.

https://www.europeanceo.com/finance/why-scandinavian-entrepreneurs-are-flourishing-in-high-tax-environments/

Yes, I am sure that a lot of the people leaving here will be going to Scandi countries, so we need to attract them back, but Labour won't because it hates rich people ( unless of course they are in the top echelons of the Labour party)

ScarlettOYara · 02/06/2026 09:46

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/06/2026 09:45

This. Jesus the 90s and 2000s were an absolute golden age.

Unless when sky high interest rates hit, you couldn't pay your mortgage and you had negative equity and had to sell cheaply.

FernandoSor · 02/06/2026 09:45

ScarlettOYara · 02/06/2026 09:26

Mine didn't. My mother was always top of the class, but had to leave school at 14 for an unskilled job to support the family. When I was at school, most people were still leaving at 16. It has not been a happy, rosy story for everyone.

Yes, until the early 80s, most young people left school at 16. And got jobs. That's the point - jobs were available, even for the unskilled. Whatever job your mother was doing at 14, there is a high chance it no longer exists - and even if it does, the minimum age is probably 18 and she would be competing with hundreds of others for it.

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/06/2026 09:45

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2026 09:41

I think they do. When I was the age of our oldest grandchildren you could leave a job you disliked on a Friday and walk into a new one on Monday. You were likely to start married life (very few couples lived together) in a council house. This was in a time of economic instability with inflation in double figures and 33% basic rate income tax.

It’s far harder for kids now.

This. Jesus the 90s and 2000s were an absolute golden age.

SquirrelGG · 02/06/2026 09:44

crochette · 02/06/2026 09:26

Lockdown lockdown lockdown. It was a year. Get over it

Well said. Also, was the UK the only place in the world to experience lockdown? I think not.

Comeonelieen · 02/06/2026 09:43

JuliaBraverman · 02/06/2026 07:10

So we just have to compare us to the third world now do we?

Would have thought the UK haters would quite like that 😂

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 02/06/2026 09:43

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/06/2026 08:11

Also, to state the obvious, wealthy people don’t pay corporation tax. Corporations do. It doesn’t impact where wealthy people chose to live.

A lot of wealthy people create companies which pay CT.

They are leaving and taking their companies with them because Labour has proved that it will not get to grips with welfare spending and will keep on taxing and taxing.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 02/06/2026 09:41

CheeseyOnionPie · 02/06/2026 08:18

The decline didn’t suddenly happen in the last 23 months. The “wealthy people” have been here for the last 15 odd years so why weren’t we thriving then??

I’m no fan of this govt but to place the entire blame on them isn’t realistic. The position the country finds itself in today is a result of steady decline and successive governments failing to act in the long term interests of the country over whatever actions benefits their party in the short term.

Yes, but this government has made it so much worse by sending out the wrong signals ie that they will keep taxing and spending on welfare.

They have proved that they will not get to grips with welfare spending and will not reduce taxes so everyone who can is running for the hills and who can blame them. I would if I could but I am in my 60s and retired.

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2026 09:41

Princejoffyjaffur · 02/06/2026 09:05

....do we really think kids today have it worse than their parents or grandparents? Nonsense.

I think they do. When I was the age of our oldest grandchildren you could leave a job you disliked on a Friday and walk into a new one on Monday. You were likely to start married life (very few couples lived together) in a council house. This was in a time of economic instability with inflation in double figures and 33% basic rate income tax.

It’s far harder for kids now.

PoppingZits · 02/06/2026 09:41

frozendaisy · 02/06/2026 09:32

@PoppingZits there would be consequences for bad behaviour in this house

and there are many teens like ours who are fun, kind, social, ambitious, whether they find their place here or elsewhere will remain to be seen. But we are not going to let ours sink into a pit of despair thinking it’s all pointless and waste their precious youth in their rooms online.

Kids who hurt animals are the psychopaths of the future. We all know that they will be in jail eventually.

Agree, there’s some fab kids around who are being raised the right way. But look at what the good ones are being exposed to. It’s hard not to be in the depths of despair the way this world is you going.
Psychopath kids are not going to end up in jail.Theres no room at the inn and then you got David Lammy who wants to take the soft touch approach of rehabilitation instead of proper punishment.

PoppingZits · 02/06/2026 09:33

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 02/06/2026 06:31

This is what happens when you have millions on benefits that everyone else has to pay for.

As Mcfadden said, all Labour want to do is tax anyone and anything.

If our government is anti growth what do you expect?

Some of those on benefits go onto TikTok to slag off mental health services, the same services that give them diagnoses to claim their benefits in the first place. They show off what shite they have bought from the internet with their benefit money courtesy of the tax payer. If that’s not bad enough they have their hair dyed, their rubber lips full of filler, fake nails, bottle of booze and a wad of cannabis. The tax payer pays for this! Fucking joke of a country!!! Benefit recipients should show exactly how they are spending their money. Give them vouchers instead of cash in hand,

frozendaisy · 02/06/2026 09:32

@PoppingZits there would be consequences for bad behaviour in this house

and there are many teens like ours who are fun, kind, social, ambitious, whether they find their place here or elsewhere will remain to be seen. But we are not going to let ours sink into a pit of despair thinking it’s all pointless and waste their precious youth in their rooms online.

Kids who hurt animals are the psychopaths of the future. We all know that they will be in jail eventually.

ScarlettOYara · 02/06/2026 09:26

FernandoSor · 02/06/2026 09:20

Yes they certainly do.

My parents both left university in the mid-60s straight into well-paying jobs that used their skills - and if they had not gone to university, they could have walked into the nearest factory or office and picked up a job.

I graduated in 91 with no debt, and walked straight into a fully-funded PhD, and from there into a job that paid £30k (in the late 90s) and was on £50k+ by the early 2000s.

My DC's world and employment prospects are far more precarious. They are still at school, and doing well, but opportunities are fewer and the competition is MUCH stiffer - literally hundreds of applications for even entry-level posts. Going to university, even to study a vocational degree, no longer guarantees a good job at the end - just a large debt unless you are lucky enough to have parents who will fund you (we certainly will). The opportunities to work abroad are far less accessible since the UK left the EU.

You would have to be blind to not see this.

Mine didn't. My mother was always top of the class, but had to leave school at 14 for an unskilled job to support the family. When I was at school, most people were still leaving at 16. It has not been a happy, rosy story for everyone.

crochette · 02/06/2026 09:26

scalt · 02/06/2026 07:52

Lockdown totally shafted children and young people, and none of lockdown’s cheerleaders have expressed a shred of regret about this.

The rot set in when Tony Blair made people pay tuition fees, and as others have said, a degree does not guarantee a good job. I remember a press conference with a young person asking him “when am I supposed to get a mortgage?”

Lockdown lockdown lockdown. It was a year. Get over it

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/06/2026 09:25

Sartre · 02/06/2026 09:21

Don’t really think it’s much easier in many countries right now. Thanks to AI, lots of junior roles have disappeared and eventually middle management ones will too. You’re only safe if you work somewhere AI can’t currently replicate. Some creative jobs are currently safe for the time being but I worry about the future, ditto teaching. Certain technical jobs are safe- plumbing, electricians, brickies, engineers etc.

It’s the basic unskilled roles that are vanishing like admin for example. Even supermarkets have slowly been eradicating their workforce through self service checkouts, robots in the distribution centres etc. As I say, it definitely isn’t exclusive to the UK so moving wouldn’t help much.

“Certain technical jobs are safe- plumbing, electricians, brickies, engineers etc.”

this is a myth. These jobs are being automated. They’re not safe, in fact they haven’t been for decades

its like people forget about automation now AI has hit the office workers

PoppingZits · 02/06/2026 09:23

frozendaisy · 02/06/2026 06:55

We have teens who are seeing these news articles

Have found it’s best to stay optimistic. They are young, healthy, clever, polite, kind, fun. And adaptable, humans are it’s a large part of our success. No one expected us to be on the road to career success when we left school. They will work something out. They have to.

We don’t know if they will stay in UK (EU passports here as well which will help), or if their uni fees are going to be an utter waste of cash. But you don’t move forward being paralysed by pessimism.

It is a mess right now but at least people are talking about it finally. That can be the start of the catalyst for change.

Theres a lot of young people who are anything but clever, polite, kind, fun. The country is a mess and completely out of control. There’s no consequences for bad behaviour. It’s going to get worse and worse and worse.

The UK is seeing a significant surge in young people using high-powered catapults to target, injure, and kill wildlife, with groups actively filming the abuse and sharing it on social media. Animal welfare charities and police forces are pushing for stricter legislation and severe consequences to combat this escalating issue.

The Scale of the Problem
Social Media Trends: Incidents are frequently driven by trends on platforms like TikTok and WhatsApp, where youths share sickening footage of torturing wild animals.
Impacted Wildlife: Primary targets include waterfowl (swans, geese, ducks), pigeons, and squirrels. Rescues have reported birds with severe head, neck, and eye trauma from high-velocity ball bearings.
National Operations: In response to the crisis, a UK-wide coalition of wildlife professionals launched Operation Lakeshot to monitor, track, and stamp out catapult-related animal cruelty.
Current Legal Repercussions
While it is not strictly illegal to own or carry a catapult in the UK, using one to harm animals carries steep penalties:
Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981: It is an offence to intentionally kill, injure, or take any wild bird. Offenders can face unlimited fines and up to 6 months in jail.
Animal Welfare Act 2006: Causing unnecessary suffering to any protected animal or wildlife can lead to prosecution.
Prevention of Crime Act 1953: If a catapult is carried with the intention of causing injury, it can be classed as an offensive weapon. Carrying an offensive weapon in public without a valid reason carries a maximum penalty of 4 years in prison.
What Campaigners Want Changed
Due to the ease with which cheap, unregulated catapults can be purchased online (even by children), campaigners are actively lobbying the government for stronger measures:
A ban on catapult sales to anyone under the age of 18.
Classifying high-powered catapults as dangerous weapons rather than just toys.
Giving police greater stop-and-search powers to confiscate them in public.
Local councils (like Spelthorne and Runnymede) have already begun trialling Public Space Protection Orders (PSPOs), which allow police to issue immediate fines to anyone carrying a catapult.
If you suspect or witness a catapult crime in progress, you should call 999 immediately. For past offences or to provide intelligence on suspects, you can call 101 or report it via your local police force's online portal.