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To think well done to Neil Sands and Donna Sands for taking their case to get Tattle Life shut down to the court of appeal.

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TheWorthySeal · 01/06/2026 13:06

I really admire Neil Sands and Donna Sands, they have all the money in the world and continue to fight on to make the internet a safer place. The Lady Chief Justice has seen that they have strong grounds to appeal.

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ThatSillyOrca · 05/06/2026 13:32

Crime World don't usually show any interest in civil cases but the Sands Tattle Life case they've started to

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MyMonthlyNameChange · 02/06/2026 18:34

icybreeze · 02/06/2026 17:19

She stayed with him after he was convicted for making and downloading CSA images Shock.

Yup. And her DD who has a learning disability had to go and live permanently with her father (India’s ex husband).

Then India had the bare faced audacity to write a book about ‘creating a happy home’ or something like that.

But yeah anyway, that’s Sali’s mate.

Absolutely rotten.

icybreeze · 02/06/2026 18:05

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2026 18:00

‘Fraid so. Shocking, isn't it?

The mind boggles.
It's beyond inexcusable.

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2026 18:00

icybreeze · 02/06/2026 17:54

WTF!!!!

‘Fraid so. Shocking, isn't it?

Rituelec · 02/06/2026 17:59

Tattle sometimes over steps the mark, but sometimes does Reddit, mumsnet, fb comments.

Its literally people calling out influencers for lying. Thats why influencers do not like it.

Mrs finch was caught doing a reverse video where she claimed her child put on his own hat when he didnt. Absolutely bizarre.

icybreeze · 02/06/2026 17:54

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2026 17:25

It was worse than that. She stood up for him in court and the judge handed down a more lenient sentence because he’d been rehabilitated by “the love of a good woman”.

WTF!!!!

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2026 17:25

icybreeze · 02/06/2026 17:19

She stayed with him after he was convicted for making and downloading CSA images Shock.

It was worse than that. She stood up for him in court and the judge handed down a more lenient sentence because he’d been rehabilitated by “the love of a good woman”.

ThatSillyOrca · 02/06/2026 17:21

Sali Hughes interviewed Neil and Donna Sands for her paper and praised them for being super sleuths that were determined to do everything correctly in their Tattle Life case.

The court docs show everything was done incorrectly! GDPR breaches, misleading multiple judges, service of the writ failed. It's hard to think how it could have been done any worse!
www.judiciaryni.uk/judicial-decisions/2026-nikb-20

icybreeze · 02/06/2026 17:19

MyMonthlyNameChange · 02/06/2026 17:07

Yes quite. Sali Hughes threw a fit about Tattle and even used her connections to get a documentary made about 'vile online trolls'.

But read the threads about her on there and you'll see that it's all perfectly legitimate criticism about her undeclared ads and shilling for certain brands while positioning herself and her column as impartial and trustworthy. Total bullshitter.

She was also quite rightly criticised for continuing a friendship with India Knight, after India's partner Eric Joyce was convicted for making and downloading CSA images and after India wrote a character statement for him which helped him avoid custody.

Sali didn't like it that Tattle was highlighting the fact that that is the sort of company she keeps. So she had a tantrum. Anyone who had no idea what Tattle is would probably be on her side after hearing the way she tells it. But as a PP said - the ones that complain the loudest are the ones who are pissed off at being exposed for the shady grifters that they are.

She stayed with him after he was convicted for making and downloading CSA images Shock.

icybreeze · 02/06/2026 17:14

MyMonthlyNameChange · 02/06/2026 13:58

Yes. And the point about Jack Monroe's house was that her grift was based on the idea that she was a skint single mum on benefits, living with her kid in a tiny flat, etc, etc... And people would give money to her Patreon thinking she was hard up and they were helping to support a working single mum.

When really she was living the life of luxury in a massive town house and was in a relationship with an exec at Channel 4!

Pure and utter scam. Helped proven by the fact that she had an ensuite in her huge London pad.

Exactly this.
I think if someone is going to fraudulently induce people to give them money (and work ) by calling to be incredibly poor then it's actually quite important that people dig into those claims

She sold a false version of her life for profit.(Often exploiting genuinely poor people in the process)

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2026 17:11

I remember the SH thing. India threatened to find out where the critics lived and “send Eric round”! 🤦‍♀️

MyMonthlyNameChange · 02/06/2026 17:07

DrLouiseJMoody · 02/06/2026 16:52

If you don't behave like a lunatic / are not a fraudster / grifter / commit assorted crimes, then you will not become subject to deserved ridicule. It is precisely the same with KiwiFarms (although that forum is more anything goes).

I knew that "Dr" Jess Taylor was a lying fraudster when she gained some notoriety within the GC movement, but the receipts from PerpetratorFocus employees and her victims (she stalks not vice-versa) deserve a public airing given that she purports to be a forensic psychologist who is qualified to practice. I also think that her wife is a victim but that's another issue.

Then there's the Alice Evans thread. Someone who initially seemed credible to me (we very briefly interacted on Twitter) until it became apparent that she was a domestic abuser.

Those objecting the loudest are those who think that their behaviour shouldn't be exposed. We'll all continue documenting it and abusers can continue to seethe.

Yes quite. Sali Hughes threw a fit about Tattle and even used her connections to get a documentary made about 'vile online trolls'.

But read the threads about her on there and you'll see that it's all perfectly legitimate criticism about her undeclared ads and shilling for certain brands while positioning herself and her column as impartial and trustworthy. Total bullshitter.

She was also quite rightly criticised for continuing a friendship with India Knight, after India's partner Eric Joyce was convicted for making and downloading CSA images and after India wrote a character statement for him which helped him avoid custody.

Sali didn't like it that Tattle was highlighting the fact that that is the sort of company she keeps. So she had a tantrum. Anyone who had no idea what Tattle is would probably be on her side after hearing the way she tells it. But as a PP said - the ones that complain the loudest are the ones who are pissed off at being exposed for the shady grifters that they are.

DrLouiseJMoody · 02/06/2026 16:52

If you don't behave like a lunatic / are not a fraudster / grifter / commit assorted crimes, then you will not become subject to deserved ridicule. It is precisely the same with KiwiFarms (although that forum is more anything goes).

I knew that "Dr" Jess Taylor was a lying fraudster when she gained some notoriety within the GC movement, but the receipts from PerpetratorFocus employees and her victims (she stalks not vice-versa) deserve a public airing given that she purports to be a forensic psychologist who is qualified to practice. I also think that her wife is a victim but that's another issue.

Then there's the Alice Evans thread. Someone who initially seemed credible to me (we very briefly interacted on Twitter) until it became apparent that she was a domestic abuser.

Those objecting the loudest are those who think that their behaviour shouldn't be exposed. We'll all continue documenting it and abusers can continue to seethe.

MyCrushWithEyeliner · 02/06/2026 16:40

95% disagree with you, OP

cramptramp · 02/06/2026 16:38

Allseeingallknowing · 01/06/2026 13:25

It appears to be a vile, poisonous forum, especially on families( see the Radfords thread!) and celebs !

Appears to be? Have you read those threads?

ILikeMondays · 02/06/2026 16:28

Allseeingallknowing · 01/06/2026 13:25

It appears to be a vile, poisonous forum, especially on families( see the Radfords thread!) and celebs !

It seems to call out a lot of families for harming their children.
Many influencers/family vloggers aren’t bothered about making the internet safer, they just want to shut people up so that they can exploit their children in peace.

ThatSillyOrca · 02/06/2026 16:17

Gingerkittykat · 02/06/2026 01:13

I think the tenacity can border on stalking. I used to be active on the Jack Monroe threads, and some of the posters went beyond what is normal. I remember logging in after a long gap to see what was going on and they were talking about having plans of her house and looking up which way her ensuite door opened!

You're doing what the anti-tattle brigade does and misleading with a couple of things out of context.

The only reason Jack's house was mentioned was not stalking but because she kept saying how it was a shitty little bungalow.

It sounds so sinister talking of plans of her house, but the truth is years after she moved out it was on rightmove and it was to debunk all the lies she said about the house.

No one did anything close to stalking on Jack Monroe and no one had any intention of doing anything in real life. She showed so much of the front of the house and the tennis courts at the back, along with posting what her nearest train station was that anyone could have found it.

The only reason people spoke about her house was to debunk the lies she told. EG how she went on that walking to Asda was such a mammoth mission when it was a perfectly nice 25 min walk.

MyMonthlyNameChange · 02/06/2026 13:58

Yes. And the point about Jack Monroe's house was that her grift was based on the idea that she was a skint single mum on benefits, living with her kid in a tiny flat, etc, etc... And people would give money to her Patreon thinking she was hard up and they were helping to support a working single mum.

When really she was living the life of luxury in a massive town house and was in a relationship with an exec at Channel 4!

Pure and utter scam. Helped proven by the fact that she had an ensuite in her huge London pad.

Tableforjoan · 02/06/2026 13:18

MyMonthlyNameChange · 02/06/2026 12:54

Not that I'm trying to defence that sort of behaviour. But it does sort of also underscore the point that influencers overshare far too much of their lives - and most importantly, their children's lives - online. To the point that it's easy to find the floor plans to their house on Right Move.

A similar thing happened on one of the parenting influencers threads. A family of four girls and two of them were twins. They'd shared so much info about the girls' lives and their expensive house reno that it was ridiculously easy to ascertain where they lived and what school the girls went to. One of the girls was also featured in the school's prospectus, so even more recognisable. It was just so stupid and dangerous.

Tattlers get called 'stalkers' for knowing where influencers live and their kids go to school, but it's like YOU told us that in the first place through your reno inspo product placements and endless identifiable family pics in the well-known seaside town!

Yes this is it.

They post their whole lives online. Their cars, their houses, their holidays, day trips, freebies, events and clubs they go to.

Then act all shocked when people know where they are and what they are going.

It would be completely different is say there was an Adam sandler thread posting that info as he doesn’t share all that. Real celebs don’t tend to be posting their stuff because they want their privacy.

Influscammers need people watching them all the time to get the grift on celebs don’t need to.

PencilNeck · 02/06/2026 13:00

I think, on balance, it's good that it exists because it really has exposed so many grifters, and if it helps even a few people not get sucked in by them, then great.

Yes, there are some people who go too far, but there are people who go too far on here too, and the people on here are often way more horrible to each other than the posters on Tattle are!

Anyway, if you shut Tattle down, people aren't going to stop talking about these grifters; they're just going to do it on other sites like Reddit (and they already do).

Kiwi Farms is much worse!

MyMonthlyNameChange · 02/06/2026 12:54

Gingerkittykat · 02/06/2026 01:13

I think the tenacity can border on stalking. I used to be active on the Jack Monroe threads, and some of the posters went beyond what is normal. I remember logging in after a long gap to see what was going on and they were talking about having plans of her house and looking up which way her ensuite door opened!

Not that I'm trying to defence that sort of behaviour. But it does sort of also underscore the point that influencers overshare far too much of their lives - and most importantly, their children's lives - online. To the point that it's easy to find the floor plans to their house on Right Move.

A similar thing happened on one of the parenting influencers threads. A family of four girls and two of them were twins. They'd shared so much info about the girls' lives and their expensive house reno that it was ridiculously easy to ascertain where they lived and what school the girls went to. One of the girls was also featured in the school's prospectus, so even more recognisable. It was just so stupid and dangerous.

Tattlers get called 'stalkers' for knowing where influencers live and their kids go to school, but it's like YOU told us that in the first place through your reno inspo product placements and endless identifiable family pics in the well-known seaside town!

DavidStopActingLikeADisgruntledPelican · 02/06/2026 12:38

Gingerkittykat · 02/06/2026 01:13

I think the tenacity can border on stalking. I used to be active on the Jack Monroe threads, and some of the posters went beyond what is normal. I remember logging in after a long gap to see what was going on and they were talking about having plans of her house and looking up which way her ensuite door opened!

Yikes. That’s deranged, fair play. And I’ve tried to consider what context that would be “ok”… Nope, can’t think of any.

The Alice Evans threads were more what I was thinking of. The receipts they have on that grifting psychopath are vast.

GinaandGin · 02/06/2026 11:57

Melancholyflower · 01/06/2026 17:08

I've never heard of them - when I google them most of it is about them being the couple that sued Tattle, rather than who they actually are/what they do. It mentions her having a clothing brand (never heard of it) and him being an entrepreneur, but nothing much about them. Is it just that they post everything about their lives on Insta and come across as twats, so people hate them for that?

I'm I County Armagh and Donna and her sister Anita would have be big around here about 8 or 9 years ago, had a tv show on RTE and had their own shop in Dungannon.

In 2019 Anita was diagnosed with cancer and raffled off a Chanel handbag to raise £. Apparently there has been a falling out with Anita no longer speaking to the family.

Noodledog · 02/06/2026 10:55

Snorlaxo · 01/06/2026 15:19

MN rightly deserves the CSA image debacle highlighted. If the owners are up to no good then people here would want to know as our posts and premium subscriptions keep the business going and the site relevant.

MN is discussed on other forums if you mean individual posters rather than the owners. It’s one of the few places where you can discuss women’s rights without being considered transphobic and posts are often reposted and used as rage bait.

There are plenty of (woman hating) redditors who would love to get MN shut down.

Noodledog · 02/06/2026 10:54

TheWorthySeal · 01/06/2026 13:06

I really admire Neil Sands and Donna Sands, they have all the money in the world and continue to fight on to make the internet a safer place. The Lady Chief Justice has seen that they have strong grounds to appeal.

Sure, rich people engaging in lawfare to shut down criticism of themselves is great stuff. Freedom of speech shouldn't be for the plebs, right?