To love A&E despite the wait?

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Doesnt matter how many '91'years old are in and out

My 91 year old nan was last in 6 years ago and was treated worse than a dog.

The hospitals have no care and compassion.
Its awful.
I notice how the nurses treat the elderly so much worse

IME the NHS/A and E are great in genuine life or death emergencies. But the rest of the time not. Staff are generally lovely and many are like aunties and uncles to my dc who are frequent fliers. But there are some who don't recognise that I know my dc better than they do and that a "simple procedure" is not that simple on a medically complex child. Also the system is broken and underfunded. When my then 12 year old attempted suicide they saved his life in a and e and I am truly grateful. But then he was assessed by camhs and there was nothing they could do for him. My pregnancy with my youngest became a mild emergency and there were delays with getting him out. It became a true emergency and we have both been left with lifelong disabilities that have cost way more in the long run than it would have cost to have the staff required to get him out quicker.

Encouraging people to not only tolerate, but even be grateful for the state of the NHS is irresponsible. We should be outraged it has got as bad as this!

Agree. A&E is horrific.

I’m afraid this post falls under the category of stuff from people who follow the “our wonderful NHS” religion and have been brainwashed.

Thinking a nine hour wait is acceptable is like Stockholm Syndrome.

My hand got drenched in boiling water tap water (so not actually boiling thankfully, like from the kettle), and I drove myself to A+E in a crying mess. The nurse was great, I was seen very quickly and he sat me down in a ward with the cold water tap on for half an hour and then put cooling burn wraps on my hand.

I didn’t need a doctor though. That’s my only experience of A+E for myself, and I was happy with it.

This was years ago now would they have cameras in resus as thats apparently where it happened.

Emergency care free at point of delivery in FR and CH. UAE requires insurance card because all government healthcare is reserved for citizens.

It’s got fuck all to do with “paying” and everything to do with the NHS model being dogshit. Just look at how many other countries have copied our system: zero.

Well of course but that’s the chance I might have to take. The extra layers of stress aren’t worth it. I can’t even have an appointment at my GP practice without some fuck up or other from their communication.I’m done with one side not knowing what other one is doing and the resultant stress.

I guess this is what happens when we got too many people in the country and not enough medical staff and hospitals to deal with it all. The NHS is not fit for purpose!

True. I have witnessed this first hand too. The elderly are treated appallingly. I despise hospitals and A&E departments.

OMG, this is awful! Surely brain bleeds need to be identified and treated quickly?
I would ask them to show you cctv footage of alleged assault. The assault will be documented in your medical notes and this is not fair if it’s not true.

The NHS is falling apart and needs serious reform/overhauling and yes, that could mean an insurance based system like the Scandi countries.

The problem is to say so is practically treason to the left and you’ll be told you hate the poor/are a bigot etc. etc.

What these people don’t realise is the current state of the NHS is disproportionately negatively affecting poor people - most people in professional jobs now have private healthcare included as standard, which ok it doesn’t cover A&E but does cover a lot of other things like cancer investigations, knee ops etc. Also, there’s evidence that poorer people are often less able to advocate for themselves, which is vital in this system which is falling apart, so overall poorer people are typically receiving worse care.

These people who insist on maintaining the NHS at all costs can’t seem to work out there is a middle ground between this and a US system, as is working in many other countries, where the standard of care can be improved for all. Nobody is in any way suggesting everyone should be paying the same rate for healthcare or that poorer people should be unable to afford it - there are mechanisms to ensure its proportionate to means.

Probably because you are paying for it! Ridiculous comparison

Receiving the healthcare you need is the bare minimum we should expect. A 9 hour wait is NOT. Neither is the service that a lot of other people have had to deal with - waits even longer that, including for ambulances in life or death situations, months long waits for appointments that again, should not be delayed... It is appalling.

Having been to A&E far more than my fair share, I have some pretty strong opinions about how terrible it is and now I think I would actually refuse to go unless I was unconscious and someone made that decision for me. My personal experience is that it gets worse the further out of London you go.
Chelsea & Westminster - usually quite fast and efficient
Epsom General - more relaxed but still good chance of survival
Poole - congrats you’ve just died

Oh yes i had pain relief several hours after getting there. I also had a drip and got bollocked by the nurse for not keeping my arm at the wrong angle (having never had one before)

I think my local A&E have got it pretty well sorted, although they face the same time pressures everyone describes.

• On arrival, book in at desk
• Triage 1 is within 5-15 minutes: Sats probe and describe reason for attendance. They decide if you're fit for triage 2, or if you need RAT (Rapid Assessment and Treatment) or Resus

Then you are filtered to majors/minors

Once there, you sit in chairs, waiting for a doctor. Obs/pain relief/fluids are given as required.

Depending on how busy they are and how ill you are, they may take you around to a trolley, but they only have about 12.

Are you fairly young and generally healthy? Anyone who isn't doesn't seem to have anything positive to say about our AE.
Old man left to sit in a chair for 2 days (GP said it was urgent for him to go). That wouldn't be nice for a healthy 20 year old to manage. If his family hadn't intervened, how long would he have been left?
Cancer patients left in agony when they had to use AE.
Woman forced to lose her baby in AE corridor. Those lucky enough to have healthy pregnancies get a delivery suite to themselves.

No it wasn’t patronising - I was relaying that it wasn’t a 9 hour wait. It was ‘apparently’ in the sense of ‘that’s what was said’.

I have no reason to doubt you, I was just explaining to someone who hadn’t read the full thread.

Bit prickly, aren’t you?

I haven't had much experience myself and like hospitals but at work we have been doing the Oliver McGowan training and I was in tears about the way he was treated. Now I worry every time I have to attend one of them

I spent a lot of time with my mum in them and staff were always nice and attentive