How is this 'protest'? Helen Mirren targetted

If you are being sincere then you are indeed extremely easily confused in a way that must be quite debilitating. "Racist attack = one motivated by racism" is a perfectly comprehensible, defensible and common conception of the term.

Of course. Total ignorance.

Actually they do. As i said, of some sort. Might not be their own but there is some kind of access. Given that we were told that Gaza before 7/10 was a concentration camp/warsaw ghetto, one would assume phone ownership/Internet access to be the same as Sudan, Congo or Myanmar.
And in any case there is plenty of footage out there. Just doesn't get past the social media algorithms and engagement. No ones actually interested.

There seem to be an awful lot of people who don't know what Zionism means (they think it means supports Netanyahu, which it doesn't) and use it as a codeword for Jew in antisemitic ways like 'Zionists control the government'.

Yes, General. I would be confused as to whether they were stupid or mischievous. But give them the benefit of the doubt. Thanks, General.

But antizionism ≠ antisemitism, so….

You are saying you would definitely be confused by someone calling them racist attacks? I think either you are trying hard not to understand or your bar for becoming confused is very low indeed.

Helen campaigned to keep Israel in the Eurovision this year even after the UN report on genocide

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Helen Mirren talking about how she saw people being ethnically cleansed but it was still a 'magical time' went pretty viral there a few weeks ago. Obviously lots of people find that kind of thinking pretty odious but it's pretty odious to yell at people and call them a bitch too, it doesn't help anyone.

No. Are you American?
Definitely no.
They would be white supremacist attacks. Not racist attacks. As American white allies know.

This is semantics. In the Deep South, the KKK harassed or murdered white civil rights activists. Would you really be confused if someone called those racist attacks?

Racist attack = attack motivated by racism, no? Antisemitic attack = attack motivated by antisemitism.

PS no, 'most' people do not have phones and internet, where it matters.

I do know the answer...in this discussion, some people want to distract and exhaust their interlocutor, is the answer.

I’m surprised that anyone feels that this was a reasonable attempt to protest.
Fair play to Helen keeping her cool.

Israel/Palestine is also the cradle of Abrahamic religions and the holy places of Christians and Muslims are being destroyed or misappropriated or turned into museums. We have a direct stake if we are from those backgrounds.

Thought experiment: if a genuinely historically persecuted pagan minority existed in the Netherlands or Scandinavia and arrived in Britain and claimed the Cotswolds with Chinese or Russian backing on the basis of ancestral links and a religion most of us do not follow, how would we feel?

And would our boys be resistance heroes?

This is like when my sister would say to me 'Oh I know the answer but I'm just not telling you' when she was 10

Reader, she didnt really know the answer.

Wot?

Why would I have to know, for a fact? I was answering your first comment.
YOU stated how could someone be antisemitic if the victim isn't Jewish.
I told you how.

I make no comment on this offender and his motivations, or Helen Mirren and her beliefs.

Last time I checked those are different things
Well, they are, until people start using them as a dog whistle.....

Who in government said/did what and when that you think is antisemitic. Thats what a real example looks like.

See post at 14.30 (an hour ago) for my take on this and then use ecosia or Google or whatever to check governmental discourse and individual politicians for examples.

If I give you an example you will pick at something else.

Yes you said that the reason the gaza conflict makes people so unbelievably angry is because they see it whereas they dont see Congo or Sudan. Well, there's plenty of footage out there. You're just not interested in it.

No example of this apparent lazy governmental antisemitism?

Nope. No reason that Jewish self determination involves killing anyone actually. Thats not zionism.

The reason there is a conflict in Israel/Palestine where both sides kill each other is complex and shouting slurs does not suggest a wish to discuss and understand competing claims and disputes.

And there are many many other examples of where self determination of one people did involve killing others. Turkish, Greek, Pakistani etc. Yet there's no slur for anyone supporting a Pakistani state...

Correct, it would not justify antisemitism but political protest would be just as justifiable as now, and wartime brutality with a heavy side of cultural erasure just as maddening.

I already gave my example re government and you replied by asking for an example?! That is not a genuine question.

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