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How is this 'protest'? Helen Mirren targetted

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Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 12:19

A 'protestor' called Dame Helen Mirren an 'evil Zionist Bitch'. How does this actually help 'palestine'? AIBU

YANBU - this isn't protest and doesn't help palestine

YABU - this is protest and is ok

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15854799/Dame-Helen-Mirren-evil-Zionist-pro-Palestine.html

Moment Dame Helen Mirren is called an 'evil Zionist b****' in London

The video, first posted by an anonymous account Anti-Fascist Action UK, shows the Oscar-winning actress being approached as she walked in London with her husband.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15854799/Dame-Helen-Mirren-evil-Zionist-pro-Palestine.html

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Lurkingandlearning · 29/05/2026 10:37

Just imagining if the “protester’s “ mother or grandmother saw that video, recognised his voice and gave him an absolute bollocking for being such a cowardly gobshite.

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 29/05/2026 10:32

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noblegiraffe · 29/05/2026 10:25

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 29/05/2026 10:24

The person behind the abuse has been named -lead story in the Mail this morning. A rabid left-wing Corbynite.

And antisemite.

I had the misfortune of seeing some of his social media output.

noblegiraffe · 29/05/2026 10:24

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 29/05/2026 10:22

^^ reverse, mirror, derail

You know that normal people don't post like this?

I tried to get the thread back on track by referring to what happened to Helen Mirren and you're the one derailing it by suggesting it was my job to post that....

So, what propaganda technique is it to only post half someone's quote and then circulate it to the point where that person is abused on the street?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 29/05/2026 10:24

The person behind the abuse has been named -lead story in the Mail this morning. A rabid left-wing Corbynite.

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 29/05/2026 10:22

noblegiraffe · 29/05/2026 10:13

You're being paid to write this??

^^ reverse, mirror, derail

dairydebris · 29/05/2026 10:14

balabusta · 28/05/2026 16:53

No colonial powers gave anyone anything. Unlike, say, Jordan which was literally created out of mandatory Palestine by the Brits (fact). Like I said, totally inaccurate and weird comparison.

And its not about belief, its about facts.

Jews were forcibly expelled from their homeland. Fact.

Jews always prayed and wanted to return. Fact.

Many jews did return over the years under ottoman and British rule (and previosily depending who ruled - never ever palestinian btw). Fact.

The return of the Jews to their homeland could easily have been done without conflcit with compromise and agreement. Fact.

Many Arabs themselves migrated to mandatory Palestine from other surrounding countries due to the economic success as a result of Jewish migration. Fact.

The brits did promise at different times to give the land to Arabs or Jews. In the end, they handed the problem to a UN commission which proposed partition. Fact.

Palestinian jews accepted UN proposed partition, Palestinians Arabs rejected any Jewish self determination in mandatory Palestine, no compromise. Fact.

Civil war began. Fact.

Brits had enough trying to contain the civil.and just unilaterally. left. On the day they departed,.Palestinian zionsits declared the state of Israel. Palestinian Arabs don't (they could have, the brits had upped and gone). Fact

So turn those facts into a "thought experiment "

Perfect 👌

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You're being paid to write this??

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 29/05/2026 10:10

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noblegiraffe · 29/05/2026 10:09

What's the name of the propaganda technique when someone butchers something someone said, the butchered quote gets spread uncritically around the internet among a particular group of people, let's call them 'antisemites', and then the person whose quote was butchered gets abused in the street?

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 29/05/2026 09:45

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Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

(See also, Thou shalt not kill.)

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 29/05/2026 09:44

ForWittyTealOP · 29/05/2026 08:55

How do you explain ethnic, non practicing Jews - of which there are millions in Israel - in your world view?

Distinguish between (1) legitimisation of a modern state on religious grounds which requires accepting religious views as determinative of political reality -- e.g. that Biblical Israelites = modern Jews; that praying and yearning = automatic land right; that the covenant with Jacob (Israel) holds in a very specific interpretation and (2) settlers and all their reasons for settling (3) the natural human likelihood of some folk being secular (4) the fact the current govt of the state of Israel idolizes land and is not kind to all religious Jews nor following all Judaic interpretations nor even Torah regarding duty to strangers, to life.

ForWittyTealOP · 29/05/2026 08:55

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:15

No, because a state that happens to have ideas of religious destiny receives massive amounts of money and weaponry and does not feel safe unless bombing its neighbours apparently?

False framing and also inapplicable appeal to underdog sympathy.

How do you explain ethnic, non practicing Jews - of which there are millions in Israel - in your world view?

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Imaginary86 · 28/05/2026 19:25

Saw the video on insta of the man shouting at her, he was absolutely vile. He must think he’s so big and brave talking to an 80 year old woman like that

Imaginary86 · 28/05/2026 19:25

Saw the video on insta of the man shouting at her, he was absolutely vile. He must think he’s so big and brave talking to an 80 year old woman like that

OonaStubbs · 28/05/2026 18:19

These people are mentally disturbed and the anti-semitism is just a convenient outlet for their rage.

Nogimachi · 28/05/2026 18:03

It’s quite appalling to call/refer to another adult like that.

GeneralPeter · 28/05/2026 18:00

bloooooberry · 28/05/2026 16:30

They wouldn't be racist attacks, just like antizionism isn't antisemitism. 'Semantics' matter!

Semantics often matter a lot, and you are welcome to argue for the concepts and conceptions you find most useful or truthful. I'm sure you aren't "confused" to learn that people debate those all the time and don't all have the same set. Anyway, we are talking about another poster's cognitive limitations (if we take them at their word), which doesn't seem very nice, so let's pause it there.

OonaStubbs · 28/05/2026 17:53

There should be laws against anti-semitism. It is really getting out of hand at the moment.

Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:50

SpaceRaccoon · 28/05/2026 17:47

The man has now been identified, and he has form. Horrible deranged prick, I hope he's arrested.

Form for hatred, antisemitism or just an all round nasty.

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Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:49

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:30

...was that after Operation Cast Lead?
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/knowledge-hub/all-resources/gaza-operation-cast-lead/

...was that after Cain slew Abel?

...was that after the Fall?

Was it after numerous countries invaded Israel persuading people to get out of the way before launching the war promising all land once they beat Israel. They lost the war. People often lose wars, when they start it, well there you go.

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SpaceRaccoon · 28/05/2026 17:47

The man has now been identified, and he has form. Horrible deranged prick, I hope he's arrested.