to think it is acceptable to smack someone if they touch your body, even if they have dementia? Part 2

The OP says smack. Most people these days class smacking as a bad thing. Most people in fact would say smacking and hitting are the same thing. Smacking children is seen as bad. No one would argue that if you smack a child you are hitting the child.

Edited to add, the OP also says she “hits out” as a reflex. So she uses both the words smack and hit. Not swat or swipe.

Well I’m taking that as a swat - regardless it’s not a full on hit she’s talking about. It’s quite clear what she means.

OP, on your last thread I asked twice whether you had received therapy or counselling when you were diagnosed with PTSD.
I don't believe you've responded.
I ask because this would help manage your response to unwanted and unexpected behaviour from others.
Not just from vulnerable unwell people in nursing homes, but from e.g a toddler that brushes your bottom in the supermarket, or someone accidentally touches you in the swimming pool, or in any very busy place really.

She posted she smacked them and fully intends to in the future if it happens again

But there is intent from the OP.

Not if there is no intent…

The thread title doesn’t say swat, it says smack. 🤷‍♀️

Then I’d deal with that if the situation arose.

It’s assault, legally.

Can we use the word swat as this is what OP is saying she did. It’s not hitting someone, it’s batting their hand away. Fulling expecting at this point to be asked if I’m happy to hit a disabled person with a bat…….

No one thinks hitting a disabled person is acceptable. However some of us think if we are grabbed by the breasts, swatting the hand away is fine.

So dies this mean that elderly women in a mixed sex residential home are constantly at risk of assault ?

Of course she is a victim if someone has touched her without consent. If someone with dementia picks up a knife and fatally stabs a person. Would that person be a victim?

Unpleasant is a ridiculous way to describe it.
A long hot train journey with no seat is unpleasant.
Being touched inappropriately is way further than unpleasant - it can be psychologically damaging - and like you I would swat away the hand of someone who does it regardless of dementia.
I think people think when we use the word swat that it’s a full on punch or slap - a swat is not that.
You’ve had a bit of an unfair pile on here OP.

Wow are we seriously saying its ok to hit people with dementia and learning difficulties? What about people with neurological conditions where they have involuntary body movements such as tics which mean they might accidentally touch/hit, is it ok to hit them back?!

I never cease to be amazed by attitudes towards disabled on mnet.

Is it ok that someone was touched inappropriately no? And they can absolutely be upset, hurt, feel aggrieved etc. But no we dont get to hit back or lash out. I can understand an impulsive shock reaction almost, but not saying you would do it again. And generally most adults with capacity can override that shock reaction.

As someone that works with children and young adults with learning difficulties, and has friends and family members with various conditions that can result in unwanted behaviour i can assure you the answer is NEVER hit them back or 'swot them away'.

There are ways of dealing with it, which vary depending on the behaviours and what could be causing them but lashing out at them is not the answer.

Obviously you might be shocked especially if its unexpected ie in public but if you choose to enter their home in this case, knowing the residents may have dementia or LD and therfore behave in unpredictable ways it should be something to be aware off. This doesnt mean you cant be upset by it, but its also not totally unexpected.

Anyway reading through, this is the 2nd thread on this subject, glad i missed the first. Its rather depressing to read such ignorant and harmful attitudes towards those with dementia, learning disabilities etc.

Wow are we seriously saying its ok to hit people with dementia and learning difficulties? What about people with neurological conditions where they have involuntary body movements such as tics which mean they might accidentally touch/hit, is it ok to hit them back?!

I never cease to be amazed by attitudes towards disabled on mnet.

Is it ok that someone was touched inappropriately no? And they can absolutely be upset, hurt, feel aggrieved etc. But no we dont get to hit back or lash out. I can understand an impulsive shock reaction almost, but not saying you would do it again. And generally most adults with capacity can override that shock reaction.

As someone that works with children and young adults with learning difficulties, and has friends and family members with various conditions that can result in unwanted behaviour i can assure you the answer is NEVER hit them back or 'swot them away'.

There are ways of dealing with it, which vary depending on the behaviours and what could be causing them but lashing out at them is not the answer.

Obviously you might be shocked especially if its unexpected ie in public but if you choose to enter their home in this case, knowing the residents may have dementia or LD and therfore behave in unpredictable ways it should be something to be aware off. This doesnt mean you cant be upset by it, but its also not totally unexpected.

Anyway reading through, this is the 2nd thread on this subject, glad i missed the first. Its rather depressing to read such ignorant and harmful attitudes towards those with dementia, learning disabilities etc.

Because that’s what it is.

It is not sexual assault. Legally or morally.

SHE IS NOT A VICTIM!!! That implies there is intent. I’m disgusted that some of you think it’s okay to hit a disabled person.

If someone touches you inappropriately and you hit out, that isn't something you can always help.
Care home staff will absolutely know which clients are a bit too handsy and should absolutely be keeping an eye on him for his safety as much as yours because if you aren't the one that smacks him, someone will.

People expect women to put up with a lot of things and it's not on. We DO put up with a lot of unwanted touching and attention our whole lives. God forbid we actually have a reflex action about it

Well I’m sympathetic.

It may not be sexual assault in the eyes of the law but the victim will certainly feel that she has been sexualy assaulted.

You’ve been told why it’s wrong to hit them. Been told why it’s not sexual assault. Yet you’re still here arguing till you’re blue in the face that you’re right.