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to think it is acceptable to smack someone if they touch your body, even if they have dementia? Part 2

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haleey · 27/05/2026 17:00

Continuing from previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5534178-to-think-it-is-acceptable-to-smack-someone-if-they-touch-your-body-even-if-they-have-dementia

I visit my grandad in a care home regularly and sometimes male residents will touch women unexpectedly. I’ve had my waist touched, boobs grabbed and one man touched my privates while smiling at me. I know they are ill and confused, but honestly I think people act as though women are supposed to just tolerate it because “they can’t help it”.

Part of this for me is that I have been assaulted before, so my reflex when someone suddenly touches me unexpectedly is to hit out before I even properly think. It is an automatic panic response.

Recently one resident suddenly grabbed me and I instinctively smacked his hand away. One of the staff immediately told me off and said “he can’t help it”. I understand that dementia affects behaviour and judgement, but I found it upsetting that the focus instantly became about him rather than acknowledging that I had just been touched without consent and panicked.

I’m not talking about beating vulnerable elderly people or deliberately hurting confused residents. But I also don’t think women should be expected to quietly accept unwanted touching because the person is elderly or cognitively impaired.

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I visit my grandad in a care home regularly and sometimes male residents will touch women unexpectedly. I’ve had my waist touched, boobs grabbed and o...

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OP posts:
Balloonhearts · 28/05/2026 15:36

haleey · 28/05/2026 14:34

Some people will say on here you assaulted them, you are in THEIR home, you are the one who should be arrested and barred from the home.

There's a lot of places on the Internet where people chat shit. Just avoid them, it's better for your IQ.

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:32

haleey · 28/05/2026 15:30

Neither are you.

I am so grateful you think that. Gave you the benefit of the doubt. But my instincts were right the first time.

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:31

Ace56 · 28/05/2026 15:30

Where does it say she hit a man? Looooool

What's your second sentence? Is it another language?

haleey · 28/05/2026 15:30

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Neither are you.

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Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:30

Malasana · 28/05/2026 15:27

What if you had grabbed her inappropriately and she swatted your hand away?
Shes not saying she’s swaggering in and randomly punching people.

She would have already been in my home three times by this point and assaulted a member of my family each time.

I don't tend to grab my guests inappropriately because I DON'T HAVE DEMENTIA!

Ace56 · 28/05/2026 15:30

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:28

Why is that relevant to the OP hitting a vulnerable man?

Where does it say she hit a man? Looooool

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:28

Ace56 · 28/05/2026 15:27

I think we have different ideas about what a ‘swat’ is. It’s not a smack, and it doesn’t hurt. It’s just moving someone’s hand away quickly. It’s not meant to teach them anything, it’s literally moving a hand away 🫤

An alternative would be grabbing someone’s hand but I can’t imagine that being any less ‘shocking’ if it’s done quickly.

Why is that relevant to the OP hitting a vulnerable man?

Malasana · 28/05/2026 15:27

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:18

If you were in my home and hit me, you would seriously regret it.

What if you had grabbed her inappropriately and she swatted your hand away?
Shes not saying she’s swaggering in and randomly punching people.

Ace56 · 28/05/2026 15:27

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:16

I would never have any of my babies near a flame in the first place. But grabbing their wee hand isn't the same as smacking it away.

What would your "swat" teach them? That you had them too close to a flame?

I think we have different ideas about what a ‘swat’ is. It’s not a smack, and it doesn’t hurt. It’s just moving someone’s hand away quickly. It’s not meant to teach them anything, it’s literally moving a hand away 🫤

An alternative would be grabbing someone’s hand but I can’t imagine that being any less ‘shocking’ if it’s done quickly.

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:26

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haleey · 28/05/2026 15:26

Ace56 · 28/05/2026 15:08

Um, are you saying if your baby reached out towards a flame/something dangerous you wouldn’t instinctively grab their hand or swat their hand away in case you ‘shock’ them? Sure.
That same instinct would make you swat away a hand that’s grabbing your private parts.

You must assess someone's vulnerability before having an instinctive reaction according to some folks on here.

OP posts:
eastsheener · 28/05/2026 15:26

Malasana · 28/05/2026 08:11

Well I’m sympathetic.

Me too

haleey · 28/05/2026 15:25

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:21

That was me who did that. I have supported you too at times. I won't again.

Great. If you call that support, then we must have different interpretations of support.

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haleey · 28/05/2026 15:24

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:18

If you were in my home and hit me, you would seriously regret it.

Runs off crying

😂

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Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:21

haleey · 28/05/2026 15:15

Someone was told off on the other thread for swatting their child's hand away from the hot stove and then they were interrogated how about high the stove was and where the rings were.

That was me who did that. I have supported you too at times. I won't again.

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:18

haleey · 28/05/2026 14:34

Some people will say on here you assaulted them, you are in THEIR home, you are the one who should be arrested and barred from the home.

If you were in my home and hit me, you would seriously regret it.

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:16

Ace56 · 28/05/2026 15:08

Um, are you saying if your baby reached out towards a flame/something dangerous you wouldn’t instinctively grab their hand or swat their hand away in case you ‘shock’ them? Sure.
That same instinct would make you swat away a hand that’s grabbing your private parts.

I would never have any of my babies near a flame in the first place. But grabbing their wee hand isn't the same as smacking it away.

What would your "swat" teach them? That you had them too close to a flame?

haleey · 28/05/2026 15:15

Ace56 · 28/05/2026 15:08

Um, are you saying if your baby reached out towards a flame/something dangerous you wouldn’t instinctively grab their hand or swat their hand away in case you ‘shock’ them? Sure.
That same instinct would make you swat away a hand that’s grabbing your private parts.

Someone was told off on the other thread for swatting their child's hand away from the hot stove and then they were interrogated how about high the stove was and where the rings were.

OP posts:
haleey · 28/05/2026 15:14

ZanzibarIsland · 28/05/2026 15:06

If the "It's incredibly unusual" crew don't believe OP then report it. Otherwise it's troll hunting

You noticed as well....

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Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:13

MrsShawnHatosy · 28/05/2026 14:22

My mum was in a care home with dementia for 4 years and in that time I was never assaulted by a male resident.

Everyone has different experiences though. It's really about how to deal with them.

Ace56 · 28/05/2026 15:08

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 14:11

Ah, so you advocate shocking both babies and unwell adults?

Um, are you saying if your baby reached out towards a flame/something dangerous you wouldn’t instinctively grab their hand or swat their hand away in case you ‘shock’ them? Sure.
That same instinct would make you swat away a hand that’s grabbing your private parts.

ZanzibarIsland · 28/05/2026 15:06

If the "It's incredibly unusual" crew don't believe OP then report it. Otherwise it's troll hunting

MrsShawnHatosy · 28/05/2026 15:02

WhatAboutSecondBreakfast86 · 28/05/2026 13:55

That's no excuse. If 'vulnerable' people behave in such ways they should be managed better by the staff to ensure it does not happen. Sorry but if a grown man is groping me they are going to know about it!

Why the inverted commas round vulnerable? Are you suggesting these people are faking dementia so that they can get away with assaulting people? Or that having dementia doesn’t make you vulnerable?

plasticplate · 28/05/2026 14:56

WhatAboutSecondBreakfast86 · 28/05/2026 13:55

That's no excuse. If 'vulnerable' people behave in such ways they should be managed better by the staff to ensure it does not happen. Sorry but if a grown man is groping me they are going to know about it!

Vulnerable doesn't require inverted commas.

haleey · 28/05/2026 14:34

Balloonhearts · 28/05/2026 14:29

Absolutely this. My responsibility is my own safety and welfare, no one else's. I'm quite content for some random MNers to think I'm heartless.

Some people will say on here you assaulted them, you are in THEIR home, you are the one who should be arrested and barred from the home.

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