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to think it is acceptable to smack someone if they touch your body, even if they have dementia? Part 2

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haleey · 27/05/2026 17:00

Continuing from previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5534178-to-think-it-is-acceptable-to-smack-someone-if-they-touch-your-body-even-if-they-have-dementia

I visit my grandad in a care home regularly and sometimes male residents will touch women unexpectedly. I’ve had my waist touched, boobs grabbed and one man touched my privates while smiling at me. I know they are ill and confused, but honestly I think people act as though women are supposed to just tolerate it because “they can’t help it”.

Part of this for me is that I have been assaulted before, so my reflex when someone suddenly touches me unexpectedly is to hit out before I even properly think. It is an automatic panic response.

Recently one resident suddenly grabbed me and I instinctively smacked his hand away. One of the staff immediately told me off and said “he can’t help it”. I understand that dementia affects behaviour and judgement, but I found it upsetting that the focus instantly became about him rather than acknowledging that I had just been touched without consent and panicked.

I’m not talking about beating vulnerable elderly people or deliberately hurting confused residents. But I also don’t think women should be expected to quietly accept unwanted touching because the person is elderly or cognitively impaired.

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I visit my grandad in a care home regularly and sometimes male residents will touch women unexpectedly. I’ve had my waist touched, boobs grabbed and o...

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haleey · 28/05/2026 22:50

Familywhennc · 28/05/2026 13:49

I worked yesterday at a care home and I discussed this thread with my colleagues who are nurses, carers, activities co ordinator,a GP that called in etc and the 100% consensus was that OP is 'is very unlucky ' to have been assaulted 4 times when visiting!!
Non of my colleagues who between us have 70-80years experience working in this area have ever known a visitor to be assaulted in any way by a resident!
We might have the odd feisty resident with Dementia but they are managed by the staff.
Edited to say that any visitor who touches a resident in a hostile manner would be told to leave immediately.

Edited

Amazing that you all have never had that experience of being assaulted. But that is not the case for all care workers:

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/09/6000-residential-care-workers-suffer-violent-attacks

OP posts:
SockPlant · 28/05/2026 22:25

Familywhennc · 28/05/2026 13:49

I worked yesterday at a care home and I discussed this thread with my colleagues who are nurses, carers, activities co ordinator,a GP that called in etc and the 100% consensus was that OP is 'is very unlucky ' to have been assaulted 4 times when visiting!!
Non of my colleagues who between us have 70-80years experience working in this area have ever known a visitor to be assaulted in any way by a resident!
We might have the odd feisty resident with Dementia but they are managed by the staff.
Edited to say that any visitor who touches a resident in a hostile manner would be told to leave immediately.

Edited

Even swatting away a groping hand? Did you ask them that?

haleey · 28/05/2026 18:30

PoppinjayPolly · 28/05/2026 17:09

Really?! “Why did you let this happen?”

I know. They really can't help themselves for some reason.

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BIossomtoes · 28/05/2026 18:26

haleey · 28/05/2026 18:04

Here is another one saying why I did let someone get so close.

There are a number of people asking you that. Why don’t you just answer?

haleey · 28/05/2026 18:04

Teawithfrenchtoast · 28/05/2026 17:38

I didn’t blame you. If the resident was able to get so close to you as to inappropriately touch you then you need to make a formal complaint in writing to the residential home manager. There should be safeguards in place for both residents and visitors. I have 8 years experience of visiting my elderly grandmother in a nursing home with other dementia residents. The staff would be aware of particular residents and any behavioural issues they have and would act accordingly to safeguard those around them.

I know. Some people are blaming, not you.

They home have been reported to the CQC.

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haleey · 28/05/2026 18:04

MrsShawnHatosy · 28/05/2026 17:37

I think this is a reasonable question. People have to get very close to you to touch you inappropriately. Especially your private parts.

Here is another one saying why I did let someone get so close.

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Teawithfrenchtoast · 28/05/2026 17:38

haleey · 28/05/2026 17:29

Women get the blame.

I didn’t blame you. If the resident was able to get so close to you as to inappropriately touch you then you need to make a formal complaint in writing to the residential home manager. There should be safeguards in place for both residents and visitors. I have 8 years experience of visiting my elderly grandmother in a nursing home with other dementia residents. The staff would be aware of particular residents and any behavioural issues they have and would act accordingly to safeguard those around them.

MrsShawnHatosy · 28/05/2026 17:37

Teawithfrenchtoast · 28/05/2026 17:17

No, not “why did you let this happen” but where was the resident in relation to op. Was she aware he was so close.

I think this is a reasonable question. People have to get very close to you to touch you inappropriately. Especially your private parts.

EastEndQueen · 28/05/2026 17:35

I haven’t had time to read all the messages but I work in adult social care and there is no reason you ‘just need to put up with this because they can’t help it’ as a visitor to a residential setting to see your grandfather. Yes he very well may not be able to help it and individuals may exhibit violent or inappropriate sexual behaviour as part of their dementia. They may very well need to live in residential settings as a result of this. But the risk assessments the care home does should
involve how to mitigate the risk to visitors, staff and other residents. If inappropriate sexual
touching cannot be managed by staff safely
then he shouldn’t be in communal
areas.

haleey · 28/05/2026 17:29

PoppinjayPolly · 28/05/2026 17:09

Really?! “Why did you let this happen?”

Women get the blame.

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Teawithfrenchtoast · 28/05/2026 17:17

PoppinjayPolly · 28/05/2026 17:09

Really?! “Why did you let this happen?”

No, not “why did you let this happen” but where was the resident in relation to op. Was she aware he was so close.

PoppinjayPolly · 28/05/2026 17:09

Teawithfrenchtoast · 28/05/2026 17:03

Were you aware the elderly resident was within your vicinity? How did he get so close to you that he was able to inappropriately touch you?

Edited

Really?! “Why did you let this happen?”

Teawithfrenchtoast · 28/05/2026 17:03

Were you aware the elderly resident was within your vicinity? How did he get so close to you that he was able to inappropriately touch you?

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 16:56

Malasana · 28/05/2026 16:34

I think your caps lock is stuck.

She wouldn’t be swatting at your hand because you wouldn’t have grabbed her inappropriately.

She swatted someone’s hand because she had been grabbed inappropriately and her reflex was to knock the hand away. She didn’t just wallop someone randomly.

My cap locks is fine thanks.

Malasana · 28/05/2026 16:54

haleey · 28/05/2026 16:46

Now you have read the lies, here is the truth:

The other thread went to 1000 posts and ended. I was asked to start another one

I do not hate it if people say I am unreasonable. If I did, what is the point of me being here?

I am not hitting people with dementia randomly. It is a reflex action due to PTSD from sexual assault.

The fact is, at this point in time over 70% of voters say you are not being unreasonable.

That seems quite the majority.

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 16:54

Anyway. I’m done with this thread and regret asking the OP to start it.

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 16:53

haleey · 28/05/2026 16:47

I never thought you were horrible even when you disagreed with me.

It is just a chat forum, it's not that deep.

You just posted that I was!

haleey · 28/05/2026 16:47

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:58

I actually gave her the benefit of the doubt. Regret it now. She's "hearted" a few posts of mine but now I'm horrible apparently.

I never thought you were horrible even when you disagreed with me.

It is just a chat forum, it's not that deep.

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haleey · 28/05/2026 16:46

ParmaVioletTea · 28/05/2026 15:47

Because the OP hates it when people say she's unreasonable. She is ignorant about the extent & impact of dementia, and basically she just wants everyone to say she's right.

She's not, btw. No-one should be hitting out at a person with dementia severe enough that they need 24 hour residential care.

Now you have read the lies, here is the truth:

The other thread went to 1000 posts and ended. I was asked to start another one

I do not hate it if people say I am unreasonable. If I did, what is the point of me being here?

I am not hitting people with dementia randomly. It is a reflex action due to PTSD from sexual assault.

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haleey · 28/05/2026 16:43

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:32

I am so grateful you think that. Gave you the benefit of the doubt. But my instincts were right the first time.

You are not a fan of instincts remember?

Your instincts were right the first time yet you engaged in thread 1 and again in thread 2?

OP posts:
Zapx · 28/05/2026 16:36

haleey · 28/05/2026 15:26

You must assess someone's vulnerability before having an instinctive reaction according to some folks on here.

Benefit of the doubt the FIRST time this happened to you.

Second, third AND fourth time, you should have known you might hit, sorry, smack, a vulnerable adult, then you should have taken precautions, absolutely.

Malasana · 28/05/2026 16:34

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:30

She would have already been in my home three times by this point and assaulted a member of my family each time.

I don't tend to grab my guests inappropriately because I DON'T HAVE DEMENTIA!

I think your caps lock is stuck.

She wouldn’t be swatting at your hand because you wouldn’t have grabbed her inappropriately.

She swatted someone’s hand because she had been grabbed inappropriately and her reflex was to knock the hand away. She didn’t just wallop someone randomly.

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:58

ParmaVioletTea · 28/05/2026 15:47

Because the OP hates it when people say she's unreasonable. She is ignorant about the extent & impact of dementia, and basically she just wants everyone to say she's right.

She's not, btw. No-one should be hitting out at a person with dementia severe enough that they need 24 hour residential care.

I actually gave her the benefit of the doubt. Regret it now. She's "hearted" a few posts of mine but now I'm horrible apparently.

ParmaVioletTea · 28/05/2026 15:47

HoraceCope · 27/05/2026 17:07

why are there 2 threads?

Because the OP hates it when people say she's unreasonable. She is ignorant about the extent & impact of dementia, and basically she just wants everyone to say she's right.

She's not, btw. No-one should be hitting out at a person with dementia severe enough that they need 24 hour residential care.

Differentforgirls · 28/05/2026 15:40

Balloonhearts · 28/05/2026 15:36

There's a lot of places on the Internet where people chat shit. Just avoid them, it's better for your IQ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

Intelligence quotient - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient