If you are Reform are you ok with this repulsive man potentially becoming an MP and representing women in parliament?

Thank you.I had forgotten that. Obviously he shouldn’t have said it. But context is important in this case. It was in response to some particularly appalling statements by Jan Moir about the death of a young gay man- basically saying that his death was a natural consequence of his lifestyle.

Life begins at conception. Abortion is the cowardly act of murdering a defenceless baby and not having to face up to it cause a Dr did it. They don’t want babies? Use contreception! [sic]”

I guess he is entitled to his personal views on abortion - probably best not to post them on a public forum though.

What about the other lines?

Absolutely.

Most of the meaningful human‑rights protections in the UK, including many that disproportionately matter to women, are enforceable because of the European Convention on Human Rights. Reform want to leave it.

A domestic “Bill of Rights” is not a substitute. Under parliamentary sovereignty, any such Bill can be rewritten or repealed the moment it becomes politically inconvenient. It offers no entrenched protection whatsoever.

They’ve also said they want to repeal the Equality Act. That’s the statute that protects women from pregnancy and maternity discrimination, among other things. This, of course, sits neatly alongside Farage’s long‑standing view that women who take maternity leave are “less valuable” to employers - hence his argument that businesses should be free to discriminate.

Would leaving the ECHR make it easier for a government to legislate more aggressively on “women’s spaces” and exclude trans women? Yes, probably. But the price tag is stripping away the main external check that protects women’s rights in the first place.

When Reform voters profess to "know what a woman is", yeah - they mean what you say.

Doesn't matter what the letter of the law is, in practice it works the same way. Unless Reform get in, in which case they're likely to import Trump's anti abortion legislation.

Nobody can say we weren't warned.

No - I'm only suggesting that particular line has been misinterpreted.

What men DO is what they SAY plus power.
I've heard quite enough of what Kenyon has to SAY to know he should never be given the power to DO anything.

What are you suggesting? That he has a point?

But as you quote from the Observer article, you will have seen this as well

Kenyon said: “Don’t dole out the ‘what if someone is raped by their brother’ arguement [sic]. Life begins at conception. Abortion is the cowardly act of murdering a defenceless baby and not having to face up to it cause a Dr did it. They don’t want babies? Use contreception! [sic]”

In other posts he also claimed that people advocating the right to choose were “usually the lefty crowd”, adding: “Because the left are actually evil.”

suggested women falsely claim to have been raped in order to terminate their pregnancies

They haven't quoted that claim. I can see;

“Don’t dole out the ‘what if someone is raped by their brother’ arguement [sic],

I would suggest he was saying, don't use an extreme example to shape a broader argument. That would be my interpretation rather than 'falsely claiming rape'. Unless there is another quote?

He said "there would be nothing natural about Jan Moir's death if I shoved the bigoted old bag under a train". He said that in 2009 but it resurfaced in 2022. Think that may have been when his team apologised.

Reform voters are on board with jettisoning women's rights, so I can't imagine they'd be troubled by this?

1. There is such a thing as the law of unintended consequences. Benefits as a safety net is generally a good development but no one would argue that there aren't cases of entitlement and over-reliance on handouts. Assisted dying might be well-intentioned but there are hideous examples of it being the thin end of the wedge. I think it was in Canada where a young man with diabetes recently took the decision to end his life, to his mother's anguish. Safe access to abortion can be seen as a good thing but of course some women do use abortion as contraception, which was never the intention, and it is irresponsible. I had a shocking conversation with a 16 year old many years ago, who told me that her friend, 17 at the time, never used contraception and was about to have her second abortion. Abortion should be a last resort.
2. Carol Vorderman had a lot of work done to make herself look (stereotypically) sexually attractive. One man then found her sexually attractive, and another one retweeted the first's comment....shock, horror!
3. There is a big difference between SAYING something and DOING or NOT DOING something. The Reform candidate has SAID some things you may not agree with, that you think may indicate worrying attitudes towards women. Let's look at what the Tories and Labour, who have been in power, have DONE and NOT DONE, that have had real consequences for women. They HAVE allowed, for decades, mass immigration from misogynistic cultures, so that, in 21st century Britain, we are dealing with FGM, honour killings, grooming gangs.... also Labour and Conservatives HAVE NOT dealt with the invasion on the south coast, so unvetted, undocumented males, free to roam about, are able to murder (Rhiannon White, stabbed to death with a screwdriver, so her little boy is now without his mother) and rape.

OP, don't worry so much about what candidates SAY. Ther're allowed to have opinions and you can argue with them if you want. Look at what candidates/politicians DO and DON’T DO in terms of POLICY and how that affects women and girls. Conventional politicians like Starmer nd others are too polished to retweet crude sexual comments and I don't recall him criticising some of the women who seek abortions. But he didn't want a national enquiry into the grooming gangs and he's done very little about the small boats.
It's the conventional, "respectable" middle class politicians who women should be worrying about.

Incidentally-it’s fine to want a debate about time limits for abortion. What’s not fine is saying women who have abortions are slags, are pretending they were raped and are using them as contraception. Let’s not avoid the point.

What did he say? I have tried to find out….

Kenyon called abortion a “cowardly act of murdering a defenceless baby” and suggested women falsely claim to have been raped in order to terminate their pregnancies.

https://abortionrights.org.uk/reform-uk-candidates-remarks-on-abortion-and-rape-are-dangerous-and-misogynistic-says-abortion-rights/

Right. OK. My bad.

Well that's the biggest load of shit I've read on MN this week. And that's saying something.

'Dog whistle rallying cry' - you sound exactly like Lloyd Russell Moyle (ex) Labour MP, when he was ugly puce faced and shouting at a female MP who dared (at the time) say that biological sex matters.. Interesting.. He didn't last much longer as an MP of course

or 'as low as 12 or 14 weeks'

Not according to the Guardian;

Kenyon responded by saying...
“He’s only saying what we’re all thinking”

Neither he or Reform have apologised for any of his comments, and there are many.

You would vote for him?

It was him who said that about Carol Vorderman!

I referred to 'normal pregnancies' in my post - implying that most European countries have 12-14 weeks as the cut-off for elective abortions for non-medical reasons.

Most abortions for non medical reasons in the UK take place before 12 weeks

What does the law say though?

Of course those comments are disgusting and he should apologise.

Wes Streeting tweeted a disgusting comment about a journalist before he was an MP and all seems to be forgiven after he apologised so I assume that the same would be for Robert Kenyon.

Not accurate. Most European countries still allow abortion for medical.reasons over 12-14 weeks. Most abortions for non medical reasons in the UK take place before 12 weeks.

Just to be clear, you are aware that this man thinks, among other things, that women who have abortions are slags, women can’t drive and he said that the man who posted that he wanted to lick and sniff Carole Vordeman’s arsehole was “only saying what everyone else was thinking”?