AIBU to complain again about neighbours talking loudly in the communal yard?

How big is the communal yard? If it is really small and they just like the tucked in feel, could you perhaps buy a couple more big bins from the council to make the space less accessible? Put your bins where they sit, so as they have to move them each time? Install a bike lock and add an old bike which makes things trickier? Is there anywhere to sit in the communal garden, would you consider buying a picnic bench table for that - at least you could get a bit of respite yourself with minimum bother even if they don’t use it?

Perhaps your main hope is to leverage the wedged open door position. That is a safety hazard and you were recently disturbed by someone knocking on your door then trying to open it, I understand. A letter of concern to the block’s managing agent about it should trigger a notice to all flats. Should.

I go to bed frazzled and angry because over the road have loud arguments each night and they speak absurdly loudly and at great length at the best of times. Dog is left out all evening in a tiny yard, barks at everything and nothing. So I feel for you.

Oh don’t be silly. They clearly prefer the space that the op has said they’ve been using for at least a couple of years now. The op can’t move into an apartment block and then start dictating what areas other residents are allowed to use because she’d prefer her own peace and quiet. The op is clearly not suited to this type of accommodation. They’re literally just chatting

That seems like a spectacularly bad idea to me. The risk of escalation (this turning into a genuine fight) is just too high imo.

OP needs to sleep during the day. She therefore truly can’t win that fight / will always be the one to suffer.

I don't think you can tell other tenants not to use communal spaces during normal social hours. It depends upon how your lease is worded. There is usually some catch all about causing annoyance to neighbours. You could try speaking to your housing manager or agent. However they may well point out that what your neighbours are doing does not qualify as "anti social behaviour" for which the bar is quite high. Rightly so. What they are doing is not being specifically done TO you so would not qualify as harassment. Landlords and agents are reluctant to get involved in tenant disputes unless they affect the security of or damage to the building. The wedged open fire door might be worth pursuing.

Ive tried various kinds of ear plugs but I find the wax ones the most effective. Silicone ones do not do it for me. A box will last about a month and you can mould them to your ear. I can sleep through people knocking on my door and phones ringing just fine.

But they’re just talking at a reasonable time of day. Can you honestly approach neighbours and tell them when and where they can talk? It’s beautiful weather, people are chatting to neighbours more.

I agree. I use these:

Q Zone earplugs

They're really effective.

I would be concerned about the security door being wedged open, I would complain about that

This is all very well if OP has the time, the temperament and the inclination to start a war with neighbours who’ve already shown that they don’t give a monkeys. Personally I couldn’t be arsed, and would just look for something that wasn’t near a communal yard.

Close that door. It'll lock them out and that'll piss them off back

It is vile to ignore someone’s plea for peace and quiet when there is an alternative area to use with far less impact.

Start taking over the communal spaces and playing music. Do it deliberately. They're treating it as if they own it and they are not taking any notice of what you say.
I'd go out and play music or have people over for a barbecue /party more often, and especially when they are doing video calls.
If the door is wedged open, then go close it every time.
Tell them that they are being antisocial and rude and you've asked them nicely which theyve ignored, so this is on them

I tend to think this too. If you have tried everything and nothing works, your only answers are to move, or to put up with it. I’d probably move.

They've got to be the silicone ones which block out ALL the sound . Why didn't they help ? I could have a gun going off and I wouldn't be able to hear it using them .

You have tried earplugs and they don’t work. You have tried sleeping elsewhere in the house, and that doesn’t work. You can’t stop them from doing it, because it’s a communal space and they aren’t breaking any rules. But you don’t want to move? I’m stumped! If it were me, I would move. It’s not perfect if you can’t sleep there.

Keep accidentally knocking cups of water over on your window sill right over their heads.

Noise cancelling over ear headphones

I really don't want to move- it's perfect apart from them making so much noise!

But that means it's very much not perfect for you.

Unless they're being excruciatingly loud and it registers as a noise complaint - but I think that's pretty unlikely - then talking outside is considered normal household noise, and as it's presumably between 8am and 10pm, it'd be difficult to do anything anyway... it sounds like it's the layout and construction of the homes that is the issue.

Can you sleep elsewhere? Try heavier-duty earplugs?

So really your options, if talking to them and appealing to their better nature doesn't work, is to either change your job or change your home.

It does suck and I don't mean this flippantly; but from experience, people talking is unlikely to be something you can stop if they don't have the manners to want to do it themselves.

Report the security door being wedged open to the factors every time they do it.

Or go down and close it. It's a security door, you don't want people wandering into the building who shouldn't have access.

Can you try the opposite approach, instead of asking them to move just be noisy for a bit and disturb their conversation?

Speaker out your window with some sort of annoying music until they move. Dripping water off your ledge.

Of course, that might start a war but if they won't listen to polite requests then sometimes you have to try something else

Silicone earplugs will block out all of the noise . I've slept better since using them even when there's no noise . Sometimes you have to find your own solution because it's not illegal to have a loud conversation just a bit thoughtless .

Is there a building manager or an agency or landlord you all/ they rent from?
I fixed my nightmare neighbour situation eventually by persistently complaining to the letting agent.

Could you sleep in another part of the flat away from them?

Unfortunately if you work nights and need to sleep in the day you need to learn to sleep through noise. You can't expect the world to stop for you.