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To think hierarchy doesn't work at work?

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Scarlettjune · 26/05/2026 22:27

I have a boss that is currently making my life a misery. She is very hierarchal and she wants me to see her as above me in status. She micro manages constantly. I have had a couple of bosses like her before and it always made the workplace extremely miserable. Hierarchy leaves workplaces open to abuse of power

The best bosses I ever had were the ones that saw themselves as being on the same level as the rest of us. I remember one great boss who said "I'm th same as the rest of you guys I just have different work responsbilities". We all worked really well with hk,

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loislovesstewie · 27/05/2026 08:26

Micromanaging is a big no no. I had a manager who did this and it was tedious and slowed down everything.
But management is a hyerarchy. Your manager is responsible for what you do, decisions you make etc. And the manager above them is also responsible for work/decisions they make.
I mean do you expect the whole workforce to have a vote or something? Ultimately managers make final decisions. Perhaps you could give it a try?

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 08:24

cooliebrown · 27/05/2026 08:23

Hierarchy is sometimes important in the workplace, as it shows who is accountable and responsible for making things happen properly.

My current job is experimenting with 'matrix management' - where you have 'assignment managers' for each project you are involved with, and 'career managers' who look after your annual leave, sickness and development. All gets quite confusing - my current career manager is on the same grade as me, which meant that when we both applied for the same promotion role I felt I was unable to get support from my career manager, because we were competitors.

When I managed large public-sector teams I used to say to team members - 'you don't work for me, I work for you. We're all working for the general public and my job as manager is to make sure you have everything you need to do your jobs properly'. Worked quite nicely.

People who enforce hierarchy via micro-management, have petty rules, invest too much in their own authority are usually inadequate managers, anxious about their own abilities, and these will occur in many and any settings. Hierarchy at work is not always bad, and sometimes it is necessary. Poor management is always a problem, whatever the set-up.

"When I managed large public-sector teams I used to say to team members - 'you don't work for me, I work for you. We're all working for the general public and my job as manager is to make sure you have everything you need to do your jobs properly'. Worked quite nicely."

Now that is good management!

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 27/05/2026 08:24

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 07:30

As I wrote, I have worked in a workplace where there was no hierarchy at all. All of the work got done,

Humans respond better to respect, than they do to being dominated and treated like crap

Humans respond better to respect, than they do to being dominated and treated like crap

Yep. ALL of the shit managers I've worked for have been power hungry and treated those (or some of them) that worked for them like shit.

Some people just aren't management material. I have been a manager and got far more out of my staff through treating them with kindness and supporting them. There will always be 1 or 2 that take the piss but on the whole, supporting your staff pays off hugely. Having said that, I am not management material. I hate having to organise other adults and it annoys me when they don't do their jobs to the best of their ability (differing levels of ability are a totally different thing).

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 08:24

Travelodge · 27/05/2026 08:22

Exactly. Hierarchies are sometimes needed because some people have more responsibility than others, and a wider overview of what’s needed in an organisation. Whether or not they are good managers, and the fact that everyone is intrinsically of equal worth as a person, have nothing to do with it.

In my opinion, it has a lot to do with it.

My boss would not be able to abuse people the way that she does if there was not a hierarchal system in place. She abuses her power

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cooliebrown · 27/05/2026 08:23

Hierarchy is sometimes important in the workplace, as it shows who is accountable and responsible for making things happen properly.

My current job is experimenting with 'matrix management' - where you have 'assignment managers' for each project you are involved with, and 'career managers' who look after your annual leave, sickness and development. All gets quite confusing - my current career manager is on the same grade as me, which meant that when we both applied for the same promotion role I felt I was unable to get support from my career manager, because we were competitors.

When I managed large public-sector teams I used to say to team members - 'you don't work for me, I work for you. We're all working for the general public and my job as manager is to make sure you have everything you need to do your jobs properly'. Worked quite nicely.

People who enforce hierarchy via micro-management, have petty rules, invest too much in their own authority are usually inadequate managers, anxious about their own abilities, and these will occur in many and any settings. Hierarchy at work is not always bad, and sometimes it is necessary. Poor management is always a problem, whatever the set-up.

Travelodge · 27/05/2026 08:22

KilkennyCats · 26/05/2026 23:39

It’s a bizarre viewpoint.
She has more responsibility than you have, and she’ll be paid accordingly.
Any group with employees at different levels are hierarchical, it’s the very definition of the word 🤷🏻‍♀️
Your respective worth as human beings doesn’t come into it.
She may be a shite manager, but none of the rest of your grievances make any sense at all.

Exactly. Hierarchies are sometimes needed because some people have more responsibility than others, and a wider overview of what’s needed in an organisation. Whether or not they are good managers, and the fact that everyone is intrinsically of equal worth as a person, have nothing to do with it.

Zanatdy · 27/05/2026 08:21

Someone has to be accountable, but that doesn’t mean they need to be reminding everyone they are the boss. The best managers are those who treat everyone like human beings, but have an open door where problems can be raised for the managers to resolve. It everyone is on the same level that’s fine until some problems arise.

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 08:20

Dollysleftnip · 27/05/2026 08:18

No, she doesn’t trust the team. They haven’t demonstrated their competence to us sufficiently that she knows she can leave them to it.

My team consistently get really positive feedback from the clients we served. I have never heard of my boss praising anyone in my team,. I've only seen her constantly point out people's minor errors. She definitely abuses her power. She enjoys abusing people. I've seen her smile after being nasty to one of my team members

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sparrowhawkhere · 27/05/2026 08:20

Whenever I resent anyone higher than me I think would I want their job? Their pressure and stress? I let go whatever it is that bothers me, I do the job and ignore any resentment I may have because there’s no way I could work at their level

ilovemylogbasket · 27/05/2026 08:19

UhOhRatPoo · 27/05/2026 07:28

It’s the buck that stops, not the book!

Do you make a habit of pointing out everyone’s typos?

Dollysleftnip · 27/05/2026 08:18

Notmyreality · 26/05/2026 22:53

She is insecure.

No, she doesn’t trust the team. They haven’t demonstrated their competence to us sufficiently that she knows she can leave them to it.

mcmuffin22 · 27/05/2026 08:18

Scarlettjune · 26/05/2026 22:52

I did something at work the other day that was very minor. My boss said to me "you should have asked a senior manager can you do that".

She also insists on being cc'd in on every email that anyone sends, so "a senior manager" can see it. She drives us all mad

I had a really paranoid manager who was a head of dept. He insisted everyone copy him into every email as he didn't want stuff going on behind his back. Absolute nightmare of a man who ran the department into the ground. He was also not very bright.

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 08:16

PistachioTiramisu · 27/05/2026 08:13

Well you would, wouldn't you, unless YOU were the one in a senior position!! Somebody has to be 'in charge', being responsible for allocating work, praising or criticising others' work, and ultimately 'the buck stops with her'.

Praising? She never praises. Only criticises. To all of our team.

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Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 08:15

PistachioTiramisu · 27/05/2026 08:13

Well you would, wouldn't you, unless YOU were the one in a senior position!! Somebody has to be 'in charge', being responsible for allocating work, praising or criticising others' work, and ultimately 'the buck stops with her'.

No I disagree. As I have written, I have worked in a place that wasn't hierarchal at all. All of the work got done.

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PistachioTiramisu · 27/05/2026 08:13

Scarlettjune · 26/05/2026 23:35

I mean she is worth the same as me as a human being, she is not worth more than me. I think that hirarchal systems are old fashioned

Well you would, wouldn't you, unless YOU were the one in a senior position!! Somebody has to be 'in charge', being responsible for allocating work, praising or criticising others' work, and ultimately 'the buck stops with her'.

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 08:13

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/05/2026 08:10

Unless it was a commune or a collective then there was a hierarchy, you may not have been aware of it but there was

if it's a company - someone/people owned it
if it's a charity - there's a board of trustees
if it's a local authority - there's councillors

Unless everyone in the entire organisation sat down every morning and agreed every action that day, there was a hierarchy

Yes there were two people in manager positions. But there was no domination of people, no ordering around, no insisting that senior managers must be asked before we do anything.

My line manager there called us all in at the start and said "we are a team, I'm here to support you" he was excellent. He thanked us for our work every week. His style of management was not hierarchal in any way

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Fizzybluewater · 27/05/2026 08:11

Anarchy99 · 26/05/2026 22:53

I don’t trust the ‘I’m just like you guys’ type bosses though as ime they are the first to drop you in it!

Agree with this.
It's like saying your best friend in your 12 year old. But They can't be because someone needs to be in charge i.e be the parent.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/05/2026 08:10

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 07:30

As I wrote, I have worked in a workplace where there was no hierarchy at all. All of the work got done,

Humans respond better to respect, than they do to being dominated and treated like crap

Unless it was a commune or a collective then there was a hierarchy, you may not have been aware of it but there was

if it's a company - someone/people owned it
if it's a charity - there's a board of trustees
if it's a local authority - there's councillors

Unless everyone in the entire organisation sat down every morning and agreed every action that day, there was a hierarchy

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 08:08

NegativeFreak · 27/05/2026 08:07

Life's too short to be miserable at work.
Good luck!

Thank you!

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Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 08:07

GetAbsOrDieTrying · 27/05/2026 08:03

Usually managers start micromanaging when employees start taking the piss! I manage a large team. I only micromanage one person as he literally doesn’t do anything if left to his own devices! He has recently been diagnosed with ASD and ADHD. He needs micromanaging or he will waste endless time and then try to log it as overtime! He will always act like he is happy to help with any job but will not actually do anything unless micromanaged. Also takes a lot of sick leave whenever asked to come into the office. We work mainly from home. He has just taken 43 days off as we were in office 2-3 days a week over this period for some specific work. This I think will end only when he gets a disciplinary.

My boss micro manages all of us, though I have noticed that she micro manages the women more than the men. Various women that worked under my manager have told me that she upset them with her blunt and rude ways

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NegativeFreak · 27/05/2026 08:07

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 07:51

Thanks negativefreak. I think I should try and get out of there as we are not a good match. Someone else may be a better match for my manager, and I may get a better job match somewhere else

Life's too short to be miserable at work.
Good luck!

GetAbsOrDieTrying · 27/05/2026 08:03

Usually managers start micromanaging when employees start taking the piss! I manage a large team. I only micromanage one person as he literally doesn’t do anything if left to his own devices! He has recently been diagnosed with ASD and ADHD. He needs micromanaging or he will waste endless time and then try to log it as overtime! He will always act like he is happy to help with any job but will not actually do anything unless micromanaged. Also takes a lot of sick leave whenever asked to come into the office. We work mainly from home. He has just taken 43 days off as we were in office 2-3 days a week over this period for some specific work. This I think will end only when he gets a disciplinary.

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 07:51

NegativeFreak · 27/05/2026 07:50

I've never included verbal warnings.

Thanks negativefreak. I think I should try and get out of there as we are not a good match. Someone else may be a better match for my manager, and I may get a better job match somewhere else

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TorroFerney · 27/05/2026 07:50

Notmyreality · 26/05/2026 22:51

The best bosses/leaders are those who are confident and competent enough that they don’t need to remind everyone they are the boss every 5 mins.

Military is different. You need to follow orders or people die. It’s that simple.

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Completely agree. I had one absolute idiot of a manager who said “your job is to make me look good”. No one could do that mate. And another (on reflection he was a raving narcissist in the true definition) who wanted me to find him and say good morning every day, kind of reporting for duty as he was senior to me. I worked in financial services back office.

NegativeFreak · 27/05/2026 07:50

Scarlettjune · 27/05/2026 07:44

Do verbal warnings go on references? Because she has given me a verbal warning for something

I've never included verbal warnings.