AIBU to stop therapy after learning my therapist’s husband is Reform?

These Reform voters are sensitive. Maybe therapy?

Why would you say something so aggressive?? That is what facsim is. Telling someone they can’t beleive something and they can’t vote that way. I don’t vote reform but neither do I stoop to the level of just being horrible.

I actually find reform voters absolutely fine to have a debate with. They have their opinions and will express them and listen and maybe you can find common ground to bring them out of their opinions.

but the left I find very hard to have any kind of debate without it being immediately shut down.

anyway - I’m out, too much of a nest of vipers for me ✌️

I did. A poster said her partner had a Union Jack flag and asked if he should be fired and another poster said ‘yes, from a canon’.

this is what I feel is wrong is instead of having any kind of discussion they tell people to get in the bin. This is why reform are so popular because if you squash the discourse and discussion of just moves people to a movement where they feel they can express an opinion without getting cancelled. From what I’ve found it’s the people who say ‘hope not hate’ who are the most hateful and mean ones to deal with

Actually they didn’t, they said ‘from a cannon?’ Which is an obvious (and dare I say old) joke.

I hear this a lot - ‘people vote Reform because other people disagree with their ideas’. And if you think disagreement is fascism, aren’t you really saying Reform voters are fascists?

So where is an inappropriate place to hang them?

Yes, please do. Why should she have to put up with you.

I did. A poster said her partner had a Union Jack flag and asked if he should be fired and another poster said ‘yes, from a canon’.

this is what I feel is wrong is instead of having any kind of discussion they tell people to get in the bin. This is why reform are so popular because if you squash the discourse and discussion of just moves people to a movement where they feel they can express an opinion without getting cancelled. From what I’ve found it’s the people who say ‘hope not hate’ who are the most hateful and mean ones to deal with

I did. A poster said her partner had a Union Jack flag and asked if he should be fired and another poster said ‘yes, from a canon’.

this is what I feel is wrong is instead of having any kind of discussion they tell people to get in the bin. This is why reform are so popular because if you squash the discourse and discussion of just moves people to a movement where they feel they can express an opinion without getting cancelled. From what I’ve found it’s the people who say ‘hope not hate’ who are the most hateful and mean ones to deal with

It isn't about her having different opinions from her husband, it's about her willingness to tolerate his immoral behaviour. That says a huge amount about her own values.

What's the point of having a therapist that you can't trust?

Who on earth is promoting violence? You should report that.

We just call that violence. It’s handy to have different words to describe different things.

Yes and these posters who promote violence against a different opinion clearly want state wide oppression of anyone who doesn’t beleive their way of thinking.

what do you call a violent response to anyone who doesn’t think their way? Is there a term for it?

Sorry for being dyslexic! But thanks for being mean about it

Yes and these posters who promote violence against a different opinion clearly want state wide oppression of anyone who doesn’t beleive their way of thinking.

what do you call a violent response to anyone who doesn’t think their way? Is there a term for it?

I thought I had made myself abundantly clear but apparently I haven't so I will try again.

Reform should absolutely be held to account

There is plenty wrong with their policies

They have plenty of people in the party who should not be

As they are leading the polls, they need and deserve even greater scrutiny than other parties (though so do the Greens) and I very much welcome it

I'm not voting for them

The way we hold them to account is by clearly and intelligently criticising their policies, manifestos and actions.

It is not by shouting Nazi, Far Right and race supremacy. Because those accusations are demonstrably false and it gives Reform's defenders - not me - the ammunition needed to dismiss those emotional attacks

When what is actually needed is clear firm, not emotional, critiques of their position.

Does that make sense?

I am appealing for a higher quality of political debate because otherwise we really are in trouble.

I would add however there is no party on the left that has a clear unequivocally supportive stance on female rights to safety, privacy and dignity in single sex spaces. And that worries me a lot.

JFC, why does no-one know the actual meaning of fascism?

From Merriam Webster (a dictionary not a person before anyone gets confused)

Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocraticgovernment headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition.

It’s not a difference of opinion on Mumsnet, however strong. It’s organised oppression by the state or para-state actors, often including militarisation.

Why would you say something so aggressive?? That is what facsim is. Telling someone they can’t beleive something and they can’t vote that way. I don’t vote reform but neither do I stoop to the level of just being horrible.