Anyone else a bit sick of every single weight loss discussion immediately turning into “Have you tried Mounjaro?”

Conversely you could be in the 80 percent of people with no side effects.

no one will ask you to take them, and you need to be in the right head space, to want to do it, as you need to eat clean and healthy from the start or you will have side effects, but if you’re not wanting to even risk a sulphur burp or nausea the runs even for a few days you’re not there yet.

im just pointing out as you said you felt left behind as you’re too scared, that it’s a low dose everyone starts in, 80 percent of people have no side effects, and if you do t like it you don’t inject again.

so I’d maybe consider is it more you’re not in thr right headspace to lose weight, and using fear of side effects as an excuse for youself, because it’s ok to say I don’t want to do this yet.

WLIs don't make people lose weight. They help people control the triggers that lead to over eating, which causes them to be overweight. Losing weight on WLIs still requires a lot of self control and planning and denial. It's hard work.

To me it's no different to asking a smoker who is struggling if they tried a nicotine patch. There is no extra praise for smokers who give up without help, ultimately the goal is to give up and people use whatever tools they can. Same with weight loss

Because they are as well as not instead of watching what you eat and adding some exercise to your lifestyle.

And if you don't qualify then just chill and stop judging those who choose medication to help their medical conditions.

Exactly. Just like no one should be saying to everyone they meet that they should try WLI.

I have never heard of "food noise" until mumsnet.

I don't care if overweight people want to use and pay for the drugs, but it makes me angry when the NHS pays for them.

From a social POV, I think it is better to show your children and younger people that good health comes from being healthy.

I get that, and part of me is intrigued to try a very low starting dose and see, but if it does cause sulphur burps and nausea or diarrhoea it's going to be a few days until that fades. Some say that Wegovy has less of such side effects than Mounjaro, but others say the opposite - and it's all anecdotal/subjective. With that and the cost, I just...havent explored further.

Sorry OP, we're derailing your thread! As you were...but yes it does come up a lot, you are right. I keep in my head "It's just a tool, use it if you want, or not if you don't want."

How can internet randoms guide or assist anyone based on individual capability?

If someone's serious about losing weight, they'll seek real life help, not help from people who've never met them and will have 100s of differing opinions anyway.

I have depression, and I take antidepressants. Should I just try and cheer up? Or is a medication which addresses and assists one medical condition acceptable, and another not so?

But it’s not a big commitment, it’s one pen, you start at a low dose, you try it, it doesn’t work, you stop. It really isn’t you start and are forced to stay on.

Agree @hugasaurus

Probably because it's clear on a population level that the advice of 'just eat less and move more' isn't working and hasn't been working for a long time. Most people who are struggling to lose weight know that they have to eat less and move more, that's not new information. Many have spent their entire lives trying to do that via a variety of methods and not succeeding, for a variety of reasons that can be very complex.

Science has essentially cured obesity for many people, so it seems strange not to suggest the cure for a medical condition someone has at this point. And a lot of people still aren't aware that you can get WLIs privately and it can be done easily.

Funny, I'm obese and I feel GUILTY that I'm too afraid to try WLIs! I'm embarrassed that with already slow gastric emptying, gut dysmotility and emetophobia, I am not strong enough to ride out the (potential) side effects - the pay off of weight loss can't justify an endlessly miserable feedback loop which would distract me from work and affect my mental health.

But here I am, still fat whilst it feels like the rest of the world's fat people are joyously casting off fat suits as I get left behind.

I don’t have any skin in this game as I’ve never struggled with my weight but I think WLI are a wonderful invention and I’m glad they are improving so many people’s lives.

I don’t see how it’s any different to suggesting anti depressants if someone is struggling with their mood. In the same way, they are a tool to make it easier to ‘get better’

So if someone had been struggling with infertility for years, would you think it inappropriate to suggest they try IVF? Or would you just suggest they have more sex?

Should someone just put up with the brain fog and night sweats and hot flushes by taking magnesium or would it be inappropriate for people to suggest they take HRT.

Someone with high cholesterol shouldn't take statins as well as modifying their diet....someone with erectile dysfunction shouldn't try Viagra they should just try their best to 'get it up'

WLI are medicated support for weight loss for people who have been trying to lose weight "the old fashioned way"

Some people have food noise but arent obese and wouldn’t qualify. They want tips to reduce the food noise and lose weight without the medication.

I find it's best to just not discuss your weight with others or you're effectively inviting people to give you advice!

I used to think that, but after losing 20lbs on my own and still being 2 stones overweight I gave WeGovy a try and it’s been life changing.

These jabs are another tool in the toolbox, they don’t make you magically lose weight. You still have to be in a calorie deficit each day, but it’s much easier to do when you’re not thinking about food all day, and helps you build better habits to maintain when you come off them.

Every single weight loss thread I've seen has a variety of suggestions from CICO, eat less/more more, low carb, increase steps, left weights...
WLI do often get suggested, because for some people they're a valid option and some posters have found them helpful.

I find it mind boggling op you actually think fat people don’t try the “old fashioned way” and need people to suggest changing diet moving more. Utterly mind boggling.

fhey are fat. Not stupid.

Surely it’s no different to people saying ‘have you tried low carb?’ Or ‘have you tried slimming world’?

It makes a bit of a change from eat less, move more.

Yes, I'm sick of that and 'move more, eat less' with no direction. Just a sentence that doesn't guide or assist based on individual capability etc.

In my experience every single obese person has tried to lose weight on their own many many times, and failed, hence why it is suggested.

I don’t know anyone nor have I heard of anyone who got obese, thought fuck it, won’t bother trying it without, lets go on th4 drugs. Not one.

I’m on mounjaro and I’ve done all the “old fashioned” things you list: changed habits, been consistent, exercised (though I did that before). Mounjaro does not just melt fat away! You still have to burn off more than you consume, it just makes doing so less
miserable. It’s an aid, and why wouldn’t people suggest an aid?