Anyone else a bit sick of every single weight loss discussion immediately turning into “Have you tried Mounjaro?”

Agree with this.

I decided to lose weight with MJ. Didn't tell anyone. I'd lost about 15kg before anyone said anything and I stopped taking it when I'd lost 20kg. Anyone who has mentioned it since has been told that that's what I did but all finished now. Conversation tends to stop there.

Big Pharma is extremely powerful. Try to think for yourselves people.

I don't talk about side effects because for me there haven't been any. Hope that helps.

For some people eating little enough to lose weight is very very difficult. I need to only have 1000 calories a day to lose, I gain weight on 1500. It's bloody hard to eat that little consistently.

I gained the weight due to menopause. I was eating the same, exercising 5 times a week yet was putting on 2lbs a week.

Before you start getting angry about the NHS paying for WLI, you might want to consider the amount of money the NHS currently spends treating conditions caused by obesity.

It’s not a trivial amount of money. I think I read somewhere that the cost of treating type 2 diabetes is around 10% of NHS spending.

If treating patients with WLI improves their health so that they have fewer complications from type 2 diabetes and other obesity related health conditions, then those patients will end up costing the NHS less money in the long run. So overall prescribing WLI is likely to save the NHS money in the long run.

And given the upward trends in obesity over the last few decades, I think we can say that alternative approaches to reducing obesity and improving health haven’t been working very well for the nation as a whole.

I know what you mean @toonoisie - it does feel like every weight loss thread descends into an infomercial for WLI. I get that people are having great success with them, but either you have to be half dead to get them on the NHS or have a decent disposable income - it’s not helpful to constantly recommend things that are out of reach for a lot of people.

I also notice no one talks about the side effects - only the weight loss ….. and I’m not sure how WLI look in the longer term, it seems people more often than not gain most of the weight back when they stop. So it’s not the panacea it is evangelised as.

How is it different from “have you tried slimming world?”

Us fatties have tried everything, slimming work, weight watchers, 5:2, some of us even become marathon runners (put weight on training).

i was a skinny child but even then food dominated my thoughts. As soon as one meal was eaten, I was thinking about the next one. I ate my lunch at school, midway through the morning because the three sweetens I’d had for breakfast didn’t last me. It was only in my 30’s I got fat and I got fatter with every diet.

Mounjaro has been amazing for me but it does look like I’ll be on it long term.

I’m fine with being asked if I considered them, aside from the fact I’d prefer people minded their own business about my weight loss choices.

What bothers me is the inability to take no for an answer.

Whenever I said I’ve considered and decided against WLI, what usually follows is “yes but they did xyz for me.” Good for you, I’ve said no.

”Yes but the side effects are worth it for the loss.” Not for me they’re not.

“They really support a calorie deficit.” Great; so does… a calorie deficit, for me.

“People who lose without always put it back on.” Not always, and I’ll cross that bridge when I arrive at it.

“I don’t want to use them” never seems like a good enough answer for the more avid WLI users to accept, and where I come from - no is a complete sentence.

Arguing that obesity isn’t a disease is just displaying ignorance of medical biology. The information is easily available to anyone who wants to understand. I recommend Andrew Jenkinson’s book. It’s probably not worth getting into an argument about whether basic medical biology is true with people who are not basing their views on information and knowledge.

”You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into”

I agree it’s really annoying.

Half of the time I’ve read on here, the poster absolutely should not be taking WLI but if multiple posters are saying it then they’re of course going to start thinking that’s the best thing to do.

For some people they are a great alternative to surgery but for many people they will just make the situation worse in the long run.

What annoys me the most is when people get defensive if someone says anything negative about them.
1 woman ended up in hospital and multiple posters were being rude about it like it was a personal attack on them.

That makes no logical sense. Obesity being a disease is a fact. There is no getting round a fact. It is not about belief. It’s like arguing the world is flat. Sure you can beleive it is. But it doesn’t make it true.

Seriously? You write with such moral superiority it's laughable. Medical textbooks, professional people with training recognise obesity as a disease.

I wish you luck with your weight loss and hope you can get to a weight you are happy with and maintain it.

I’ve lost 5 stone on wli, feel fitter and healthier than I have for many years, am grateful that wli are available to me and have absolutely no problem that some businesses have made money from me. Some others (Tesco mainly 😂) are making much less money from me now on the other hand.

You can believe what you like and I’ll believe what I like and we’ll leave it there.

I think it would be best to start reading up on th4 drugs if you don’t know how they work as you’re embarrassing yourself.

But again it is a disease and many do need a med to treat it. I’m genuinely glaf you can get the weight off and keep it off, for a lifetime, but not many are in the same boat as you.

for those who go on too high a dose, absolutely, but we can easily see it is not the case for the overwhelming majority, who diet sensibly and lose weight at 1-2lbs a week

What part of taking WLIs stops a person having to improve their habits themselves? How do you perceive they work?

Yes. Many of us have tried lots of methods and they have not worked. Then we try a new method and has worked. Why on earth would we not suggest the method which has worked?

But you need to do that on th4 drugs or you won’t succeed.

I’m classed as obese according to my BMI.

I don’t need these drugs to lose weight and nor will I take them. I’ve made some extremely difficult and permanent changes to my diet over the last few months and I’m losing weight slowly with a stone off so far. I’ve suffered with BED for a long time so this has been very hard to do.

I don’t blame others if they want to make this process easier by taking the drugs but a hell of a lot of money is being made off the premise that obesity is disease and medicine is needed to treat it.

According to my obesity lecturer only about 1% of patients with obesity will ever become not obese through traditional weight loss methods. 5-10% lose a moderate amount of weight but will regain it within 5 years.

If we just look only at Class I obesity (BMI 30-34.9) this is 1 in 124 women (0.8%). On WLI this improves to 58%.

People suggest it because for the majority of people with obesity it is the only thing that has ever worked.

Urgh. You are being deliberately obtuse.

I can afford it. The payments are not an issue for me.

Not stuffing my face with unhealthy food and exercising is way more difficult. Years and years of ingrained habits that need undoing.