Anyone else a bit sick of every single weight loss discussion immediately turning into “Have you tried Mounjaro?”

Op, you’re being a bit ignorant here, but so many are.

when you have already tried the “just eat less/move more” and it doesn’t work, when you’ve tried everything else and you’re STILL gaining weight and losing the will to live, the tool in the box that’s available IS mountain/wegovy etc

insulin resistance is real, totally blocks weight loss, menopausal changes in your body work against you so badly, you can’t win.

WLM helps you win when otherwise you can’t.

there are new medications coming that will help without jabs etc, don’t rule anything out as it’s such a life changing experience to lose weight that will kill you eventually.

try to have a more open mind. Forget NHS qualification for this stuff, that’s only for a ridiculously small number of people, save up and pay for it and choose your health and wellbeing

unless of course your happy as you are, happy to gain more weight etc as you get older. Life is too short to be miserable or unhealthy when there are options available

I don’t know why WLI users would be offended that some people think it’s a shortcut, or at least an easier way out, when it evidently is.

YES! I agree @toonoisie

I’ve literally must came from another thread where it just happened, the thread has been derailed by arguments over WLI now despite the OP explicitly saying she’s tried them and won’t be taking them again due to various side effects.

People suggest it cause it works.

Definitely not impossible, just very hard.

Ok, thanks for explaining 😊

It is not impossible to do it without.

People can do it and maintain without.

I appreciate it’s not possible for everyone, but that’s much the same as WLI not being appropriate for everyone.

Part of the issue though is this idea that everyone cannot lose weight without WLI. Many people can, and do, manage a calorie deficit to lose weight and maintain a changed, healthier lifestyle to keep it off.

It is not universally impossible.

Because it’s impossible to do it without. As said, obesity is a relapse disease. If people could do it without and maintain we’d not need the drugs.

they don’t melt the fat off. They are a tool that enables you to do th3 work required, by controlling blood sugar, controlling insulin, and curbing appetite, thus allowing you to not just go on a healthy diet, but to maintain it.

they don’t make you lose weight, or even lose weight fast, they enable you to do it consistently over a long period.

and for anyone who has struggled with their weight, it is literally a life saving medication,

Why do you need the drugs then if you have to do all the work anyway? Both physically and phycologically? Seems like a right rip off!!

Can you link to that then. Thay the medical industry simply defined it as a disease for money and medical journals say that. I’m sure we are all waiting with baited breath.

It's possibly better (possibly, because there is increasing data about the other benefits of WLI) IF it works. If you can 'just' eat less and move move and lose substantial weight and keep it off, yes that does sound best. But for 90% of people it's been shown that that doesn't work and something that doesn't actually work isn't the best approach. That kind of failure rate for anything else wouldn't see it touted as the obvious answer. Driving to work with a 90% chance of a crash? Perhaps walking sounds better!
Given the epic failure rate of 'just eat less and move more' for vast numbers of people, treating it like a disease, instead of as a mental or moral failure, and medicating the problem sounds eminently sensible. I could 'just' try harder to see better, or I could wear my contacts. My friend could 'just' try to be happier and not take anti depressants. WLI are another incredibly helpful tool to help achieve that goal or not walking into people/ feeling able to leave the house/ lose weight in a sustained way.
Are they for everyone? No. Should people push them? No. Is pointing out that they might be a great help to someone who is struggling a good idea? Yes.
OP, you asked if losing without using WLI is outdated now and I think it is. The same as giving birth 'the natural way' isn't necessarily better for the mum or baby that an epidural or a c section. The same as struggling through bad menopause symptoms without HRT isn't usually better. If we have tools at our disposal to make us happier and healthier, it's sensible to at least consider them. It doesn't mean they're right for everyone but how lucky are we to live in a time when those options are available to us.

It’s not a conspiracy theory, it been reported my medical journals. Classifying it as ‘a disease’ is all about getting research funding.

However, it’s problematic in a lot of ways as it turns people into victims and takes away sense of control.

How else can you explain your view that obesity being a disease is only to make money?

Of course they can, no one said it was the sole cause of Illness, how could you misinterpret to think thays whay was being said.

factually obesity is the number one cause of cancer in non smokers. The second in smokers. This does not mean you can’t get cancer for other reasons. Thays not what is being said.

what is being said is its the leading cause of preventable cancers. You can google it if you didn’t know.

Yes, I discuss weight with my female friends and family. I knew I’d gained weight, I knew I’d become obese, to a bmi 32, I also knew the risk to my health due to it, so yes, I discussed it, also with my doctor. It wasn’t a secret. You just had to look at me, to see I was over weight. Why would I not discuss it.

Yes let’s just dismiss it as a conspiracy theory shall we.

Obesity is a risk factor for disease. Cancer, heart disease, etc can all exist without obesity.

That’s not correct, and it is clear cut. Howver it doesn’t mean other cancer risks don’t exist.

Gosh so many conspiracy theorists, it’s a disease as it meets the criteria for a disease. They don’t need to class it as such to create a med to treat it, don’t be silly, we have an obesity crisis. It’s not pretend.

The obesity and cancer isn't clear cut, it's lifestyle and cancer. If you take WLI and eat a pizza a day, it doesn't matter that you have lowered your body weight, your risk will be the same. Likewise if you haven't stopped drinking, or aren't moving at all. Both I've seen once people start WLI.

Obesity was only classed as a disease so that billions could be made in treating it.

Food addiction, is like other addictions, smoking, alcoholism, heroin etc. All those addicts need drug support. The bit that puts me off WLI is the lifelong need to take them. They show that eating less and moving more works. So those who need them, or they'll stay obese, are like other failed addicts.
I wonder at the 1% figure. My DP (59) started the gym during rehab (cardiac), there's more than 1% who have sorted their weight out.

Obesity is a disease though. It has been proven in lots of studies recently if you Google it.

Modern medicine treats lots of conditions but nobody tells people on statins for example that they are 'pumping their bodies full of chemicals'. Or erectile disfunction- don't take Viagra it's chemicals.

Obesity is a killer, it causes many cancers.

Do people really have lots of ‘weight loss discussions’? I’m overweight. I can’t even think about a conversation I’ve had any time in recent memory about losing weight. I certainly have never talked to anyone about weight loss injections and no one has ever suggested them to me. As far as I know, I only know one person who has used them (no one else seems to have suddenly lost weight), and that’s just a guess because she used to be like 300lbs and now suddenly is an almost normal weight a year later. She’s never mentioned it, but I’m assuming. Perhaps I don’t have a social circle that is particularly obsessed with weight though.

I’ve got a friend of a friend who’s gone from a size 16 to size 10 recently. Hadn’t seen her for a few months. Assumed it was a diet or WLI. I asked her and it was indeed Ozempic. But she looks good on it.