Anyone else a bit sick of every single weight loss discussion immediately turning into “Have you tried Mounjaro?”

Apologies. Injections is what I meant to write. I blame the heat ;-)

Forgiven. It's an effing steamy nightmare in the SE. Some woman on a thread earlier was berating her boyfriend for faking a sore throat earlier so he didn't have to go to the beach or.. . . . .a boot sale! Or summat. I'd have faked a coronary to avoid that if I hadn't been worried about A&E giving me treatment that could kill me. I mean. You can't win in this heat.

Well unless it becomes available to people with BMIs under 30 then I can’t see this happening, because there will always be people trying to lose weight who aren’t actually eligible for WLI. Plus the people who can’t afford it, or can’t take it due to medical conditions etc. There are always going to be people who want to lose weight the ‘traditional’ way (do you mean by eating less when you say traditional? Because that’s how you lose weight on WLI too).

Although it can seem like it when you read some threads on here especially ones on AIBU, I’d say overall thankfully we aren’t quite there yet.

I’m currently on two threads in the weight loss boards where we all talk freely about our challenges and progress with losing weight.

I see many comments under fitness influencer social media posts of people giving each other a range of advice and encouragement too.

I can see a world where no one who is dieting the traditional way can havr a bit of a moan or whinge about how hard they are finding the slog of it all, or how they are frustrated with a plateau on the scale, because it will just be "well stop complaining and take injections then."

So the support / right to vent / let off steam will dry up a bit.

Apologies. Injections is what I meant to write. I blame the heat ;-)

What are you confused about? People have different weight loss journeys.

There’s always been discussions of the varied ways in which people lose weight, until WLI became a thing and now it seems some people want to stamp out all discussion that doesn’t include WLI.

The Op wanted to hear stories of how people who hadn’t used WLI had lost weight and overcome emotional eating ; many of us shared our stories and it was going fine until multiple people hijacked the thread to push WLIs.

This has happened on several threads. It needs to stop as it’s literally driving the OP off the thread in some instances and they’re not getting their questions answered.

Better to stay fat then?
Losing bone density happened when you age. Losing muscle mass happens when you lose weight, by any means. Lifting weights helps mitigate both those issues. And guess what? You’re allowed to lift weights on Mounjaro! It’s not forbidden! So there’s a way to mitigate those issues while taking WLI!

Well, as I'm menopausal, loss of bone density is a given. Any weight loss comes with muscle mass issues.....unless you're actively working out etc etc to try and mitigate the loss. Why do you suggest this is problematic? Is it better for me to still weigh over 20 stone?

Yeah, probs. Makes the fit youngsters feel good about themselves and gives them something to point and laugh at. I'm extremely overweight but I walk 5 miles a day and do a gentle workout to keep things running. I'm cracking on in years so I don't have decades left to lose weight, so what's to lose? (Except excess fat!!?) If weight loss injections make me really ill so what? I'll face a short future staying fat or a longer future not fancying chips and wine but having fun with my lovely grandkids.

It's really not as easy losing weight as the calorie deficit brigade imagine.
If it was just a case of ignoring hunger, I can do it. I 'do' do it. But having sensitive blood sugar levels means that on occasion I feel sweaty and ill and shaky because I haven't eaten in hours. That's a genetic or maybe even a result of how I ate as a child. Sometimes, when I'm trying to be in calorie deficit I can be out shopping and feel quite ill and need to eat, even though my next 300 calories are carefully planned for about 2 hours later. It messes up the whole system and then I lose hope again. My friends who have had wli say this goes away. All this goes away. You can plan a balanced diet and stick to it without feeling faint and ropey in sainsbury's and having to send your husband off for a sausage roll to aid your recovery. I actually carry a banana around with me for these moments but sometimes I don't have one. I don't care about feeling hungry. I can perfectly cope with feeling hungry - but sometimes it slips over into feeling really ill. It really is a thing. My GP acknowledges it's a thing but I don't qualify for wli because I'm otherwise fit and well and have no other medical problems.

I have an underactive thyroid gland and so did my father and all three of my brothers. My father's thyroid function was zero until he was diagnosed in his 60s and consequently lost 4 stones in weight when he started thyroxine medication.
I take this same medication now but it hasn't resulted in any weight loss.

Maybe those people who are fat because they know they eat and drink too much and stop doing it, are judging the rest of us by their own standards.
Stop drinking lots of beer and wine and eating takeaways. Works for them because that was their problem, the cause of their weight gain.

It's not so clear cut for those of us who don't drink, and cook from scratch, and who rarely buy takeaways or go out to eat. For us, having an injection that keeps out blood sugar level 'level' is all it takes to help us not have the blood sugar lows that make us desperate to eat something calorie dense to restore our faculties, to make us feel better and normal. It takes less than 5 minutes from eating something to feeling better. Doesn't have to be a massive meal, but it does have to be something calorie dense like a sausage roll or a chocolate bar.
An orange won't cut it. And then you've fucking ruined your diet!! You ate a Chocolate Nutty Bar in Asda because you starved yourself all day and were close to hysteria to get some food.

It's so disheartening. If there's an antidote to this, and you can afford it, why wouldn't you give it a whirl?

Well, as I'm menopausal, loss of bone density is a given. Any weight loss comes with muscle mass issues.....unless you're actively working out etc etc to try and mitigate the loss. Why do you suggest this is problematic? Is it better for me to still weigh over 20 stone?

What annoys you? Have you used WLIs?

Mounjaro hasn’t just made me want to eat less - although that has been a brilliant side effect, it’s completely changed the kind of food I want to eat. I’m now mostly only drinking water - after 38 years of never drinking any - and my body craves fresh food and has no interest in the junk I was previously gorging on.

Yet. You don’t just lose weight. You are losing bone density and muscle mass as well. That’s a scary thought

Also, that applies to anyone losing weight, whatever the method, Mounjaro or pure willpower, You have to exercise and eat properly too. That's clear to anyone. (I realise it's not willpower that's lacking in some people, it's blood sugar sensitivity - feeling really shit and confused when your blood sugar drops)

Yet. You don’t just lose weight. You are losing bone density and muscle mass as well. That’s a scary thought

That's not true if you're doing it properly, and if you're not that's your own lookout.

I don't use wli myself but I'm thinking about it

And just for the record, I know 2 people who have had significant weight loss with Mounjaro, one of whom has had pretty awful side effects, neither of them have suggested it to me although it's pretty obvious I could do with the help.
It's just affordability for me. My friend with the bad side effects (gall bladder problems) has continued with it regardless because the benefits of being 6 stones lighter significantly outweighs the downsides (which will, apparently, subside given time).

Antibiotics give her the runs, she says, but it wouldn't stop her taking them if it's the only way to get rid of the nasties in her system. Not sure if I'd have the same attitude but who knows?

It annoys me because the medication doesn’t make you loose weight so only works because you want to eat less, for your health you should be eating differently not just less on wli’s and unless you change your relationship with food and lifestyle you’ll put it back on

What? Why would you assume that, you’ve no idea how she’s eating and working out.

are you just going round all diet forums like low carb and slimming world and saying the same thing.

how odd. Very

Yet. You don’t just lose weight. You are losing bone density and muscle mass as well. That’s a scary thought

And the reactions of people when the prices went up, where people were trying to stockpile, source emergency tablets and discussing suppliers was strongly reminiscent of the behaviours of drug addicts

That's not true though is it? It's not like you get a high or anything. It's more like when you get a doctor's prescription and none of the chemists you go to can source it (which has happened to me! turned out to be an antibiotic only available in hospitals!) or when you find there's a shortage of your blood pressure pills or heart tablets or blood thinners. When your medication has been working well and you are faced with the prospect of it being cut off, there's bound to be some initial worry. It's nothing at all like being a drug addict.

I don't use wli myself but I'm thinking about it.

Completely get that and in that specific circumstance, if someone’s said no it shouldn’t be suggested over and over.

but what else they want to hear is the but I’m confused about. Nobody’s going to pop along and say “how about twirling round a maypole three times and holding a peppercorn in your right hand”. There literally is no magic secret to weight loss being gatekept.

What else do people expect to hear at this point though?

Weight loss has been studied for decades. The science itself hasn’t changed - to lose weight, we need to consistently take in less energy than we use.

The problem has never really been people not knowing that. It’s that for some people, doing it long term is genuinely difficult.

That’s why WLIs get mentioned so often. They’re relatively new, they work for a lot of people and especially for people where “eat less and move more” either never worked long term or was impossible to sustain.

I’m not really sure what advice people expect beyond that. “Have you tried being in a calorie deficit?” isn’t exactly helpful is it 🤷🏻‍♀️

source emergency tablets

Tablets? I thought this was about injections? Does it come in tablet form?

There’s a woman on another thread has said quite clearly that because of her negative experience with MJ, she now is not happy to try WLI again.

Even with that, people are telling her that her symptoms weren’t usual, or that it’s subjective, or that they didn’t make them feel sick, or why don’t you try a different one?

She’s said no. She’s said why.

There’s like this inability to accept they don’t work for everyone, or to just let people be comfortable in their decision to not take them.

If you can accept and be grateful that it’s made your weight loss easier, why are you so bothered if people see that as cheating?

I don’t, because I don’t care. That’s why I didn’t say “but it is cheating.” It’s that “making it easier” that idea comes from, though.

Yes I am sick of this

As if there’s any chance the OP won’t have thought of it already themselves!

not everyone wants to or can take WLIs.

People are correcting misinformation.

Genuinely quite well thank you, bit warm but otherwise fine - thanks for checking.

If nobody’s selling/promoting them, what’s with the lists of features and benefits being sent in response to people who have said they don’t want them?

I didn’t say it was cheating. I said, in response to a poster complaining about being called a cheat, that it certainly is claimed to make weight loss easier for some people…. Isn’t it?