AIBU to think sex and gender need different terms if distinct?

And if it’s just their gender why do they think that entitled them to women’s single/sex spaces, what with sex and gender being g different and all that.

In some other countries they have gender dependent language to describe inanimate objects, such as a table. I have no idea how they decide the gender of, say a bridge, but it obviously means something totally unrelated to sex.

In the UK the words male/female and the words man/woman relate to sex. There is no such thing as a male woman. That would be an oxymoron.

That’s the problem imo with the concept of Gender Recognition certificates, they have given the word “ gender” credibility which it doesn’t have. The GRC should be abolished , obviously those who already have those should not have them repealed but the lie should be stopped asap.

Never heard this as a definition.
Though tick box forms often ask for gender and then offer man / woman as the options. They should ask for sex.

This is my understanding:

Biological / sex: Male / Female
Adult person who is one of these sexes: Man / Woman
Gender : Masculine / Feminine (a spectrum of characteristics socially attached / presumed to be aligned with sex, may include some general statistical sex characteristics to wild stereotypes . A social construct)

Man who defines himself as having feminine gender: Trans Identified Man.
Woman who defines herself as having masculine gender: Trans Identified Woman

Person who is clear about their sex and identifies as such but enjoys a wider gender presentation: Butch / Effeminate or whatever.

It needs to become the case otherwise we'll forever be going round in circles.

There's so much debate because people play fast and loose with the words man and woman. So we need to actively start swapping these out for male/female, terms that cannot be argued with.
They say language is always evolving... so let's evolve it!

But what words do you use for a man who has a certain gender or a man who has a gender identity.

You use ‘trans-identifying man’ or ‘man who believes he is a woman’ or ‘man who pretends he is a woman’ or ‘man who wants to be a woman’ or ‘cross dresser’ or ‘transsexual’ or ‘feminine man’ or just ‘man’.

Whereas a lot of us feel that a woman is an adult human female. That was the dictionary definition for a very long time.

‘Woman’ is the word for adult female human in the same way that ‘cow’ is the word for a female bovine, ‘ewe’ for a female ovine and ‘sow’ for a female porcine.

This! 👏👏

Literally never heard that in my life. The dictionary definition of woman was always last human female until very recent when some activists tried to have it changed to include gender bullshit.

I think you might be overthinking this. Gender ideologues have decided that these words have a new meaning when, to the vast, vast majority of people, they dont. It's like the word 'cis', which is apparently used to differentiate between a biological woman and transwoman, when almost everyone knows a descriptor for a biological woman is not needed. But if we dont use the word cis we're transphobic (which is another made up word). It's all nonsense.

This is exactly how I see it and always have. It’s perfectly fine for women to be masculine and men to be feminine (in terms of dress, mannerisms, preferences etc). I honestly thought we were doing a good job of heading in that direction in the 1980s but then sex stereotypes started to get even more rigid than they’d ever been and this is where we’ve ended up.

Female and male are sex.

Woman and man are gender.

That’s what I was taught during a class on the subject anyway.

Sex and gender are already two distinct words that mean different things. Your
sex is an immutable scientific fact. Your gender (if you believe such a thing even exists) is a social construct.
People just need to stop using the terms interchangeably and then we’ll be fine.

The original idea was, that what we can name "gender behaviour" is coming inherently from the sex. That women are X,Y,Z because it is their female nature.
Debunking it means, that we understand that big part of the "gendered behaviour" is caused by the society - different upbringing, pressures, stereotypes, not by the nature.

The societal expectations very much do exist, and many people believe they "work" or "should work", but the power to enforce them is lower and more people choose to ignore (some part of) them.
Still, the gendered behaviour exists - if we take gel nails. It's something some women do and nearly no men. I suppose majority of women don't do it, but still it is a service where a typical clients is a woman. So a man could go to the salon because they want nice nails, or because they want to get an experience which is not massively known to men.

In a sense, trans activists are very traditional people, because they still see the stereotypes as valid - and use them for their agenda.

The example with jeans shows, that the social expectation changed in regards to women's clothes, I'm not aware of any normal item of clothing which would be scandalous on women and mark them as "men".
The expectation around men's clothing haven't changed completely, so while they are some menly men wearing skirts, other men can wear them trying to declare their feminity and it is often understood like that.

Anyway, the important part isn't that they decide to show their inner life, the important part is that it doesn't/shouldn't mean anything with regards to single sex spaces.

But it won't ever be universally understood because it was never the case.

No. No male can be a woman.
He can dress up as a woman. He can have long hair, wear make-up , and even BELIEVE he’s a woman. But he can’t actually BE a woman. He’s a man.

Biological Sex: Male/Female
Gender: Man/Woman.