Really depressed I didn’t just go on Ozempic - only maintained for a year

There's no "extra effort" dont be dim. Obesity kills more people than pretty much everything else. Its a major risk factor for every other disease.
But sure you carry because youve lost your moral superiority of judging every fat person as stupid and lazy.

Injections are fine. But I’m not trying to convince anyone of that, I don’t care if anyone else takes them or doesn’t - it makes literally no odds to me, as it doesn’t to you if someone does take them. What I care about is the endless judgement from other people.

I am entitled to make the comparison to chemo (and insulin, which I presume was Ok for me to use as you’ve not made a comment on that). Both are prescribed medications to treat medical conditions. You don’t have to like it, which again is fine. But that doesn’t make my comparison wrong.

I’m disagreeing with the comparison to Chemo. That’s where you decided to disagree with me. You’ve missed my point in your desperation to convince everyone injections are fine.

Reread my comments (where you commented) and then give me an answer which links even close to my point.

Someone paying for their medication is irrelevant, do you have less sympathy for people in countries that don’t have free healthcare? Or feel more sympathy for people receiving Varenicline or Methadone for smoking or opiate cessation because they don’t need to pay for it on the NHS?

For GLP1s specifically, if a patient is prescribed them by a doctor because they have a BMI of 40+ and 4 co morbidities, is it OK to empathise then? But if they only have 3 co morbidities, they can’t have empathy? I’m trying to work out where to draw the line. Type 2 diabetics on GLP1s are OK? Even though their issues are likely able to be managed through diet alone too?

I think it’s clear you’ve never needed a GLP1 to manage your weight, and that’s fine, you can’t understand how it would be necessary. Totally get that. But it’s wild to me that people have such an entitlement to comment on the medications other people are prescribed and their worthiness to have them, when they don’t concern them at all.

It’s not my business how they lose weight. My view was pointed at the comment Chemo and weight loss injections deserve the same empathy. I disagree. Let’s picture a 3 year old going through chemotherapy. No choice, suffering everyday. Stem cells etc. Now let’s muster up the same empathy for an adult, someone laying out a couple of hundred quid a month, I can think that’s silly and not even comparable.

It doesn’t make me unkind. Just I see a huge difference between the two.

(My example is probably me projecting but I’d feel the same for any human having to endure chemo.)

What assumption that people aren’t receiving public money? I haven’t mentioned that anywhere…

Im not saying this thread is noones business? Or that they can’t comment on the question being asked. I’m saying someone else’s method of weight loss isn’t their business. That’s fairly inarguable.

And you might find the comparison offensive, but I don’t. To me, they’re both medications to treat medical conditions. I find the constant criticism of weight loss injections, almost exclusively by people that have never used them, massively lacking in empathy. We’re all different aren’t we.

It’s all life saving meds.

I don’t agree with comparing it to Chemo. I find that comment entitled and lacking massively in empathy.

Remember when you quote someone saying it’s not your business you’ve already shot yourself in the foot by making my opinion your business.

Also your assumption that people buying the jabs are not receiving public money to fund it is incorrect.

Don’t be daft now 😂 obesity is the biggest killer our society faces for gods sake. How can anyone not know that. And it’s far from s quick fix, but so what if it was, getting healthy is the key, like any other med.

I’ve done both. I didn’t feel prouder of myself either time - both involved eating less and moving more. But the non medicated way made me develop an equally unhealthy relationship with restricting food and punishing myself with exercise, as if had when I was binge eating.

I’ve lost weight at virtually the same rate as I did without WLIs. No quick fix here 🤷🏻‍♀️

As for someone else’s weight loss, I couldn’t give a hoot how they do it, and neither should you. Unless someone is asking you to pay for their medication, it’s precisely none of your business.

Do not compare fat jabs to life saving medical interventions. Everyone and his dog has these injections. They are literally paying out hundreds of pounds a month for this quick fix.

Chemo and Insulin are not a quick easy fix.

Plus yes, you can be proud however you lose weight. Just expect those who put in extra
effort see their accomplishments in a better, healthier light.

Do you think all people that don’t rely on medication should be proud? Or just obese people? Can I be proud I’ve never needed chemotherapy or insulin?

They’ve chipped away at it. But it’s still widely available, and I’m not talking about research peptides either (which is what people will do if you ban compounded versions completely)

But you know it’s nothing about safety. It’s all because Eli Lilly and Novo complained

It’s also now illegal in the USA.

It was very popular it is now illegal due to risks.

I’ve also lost 50lbs on my own, I now weight 149lbs. I still have wobbly bits and a touch or crinkly skin under my arms but I LOVE my new body. It’s mine, it been larger and now smaller and carried two babies and illness and it looks significantly better than it did. I’m a size 8/12 and I’ll be getting crinkly arms out whatever.
Comparisons with others are only hurting you, be proud you don’t have to use medication and have had a lifestyle change - many dream of being able to do that

If it was dangerous, we’d have seen it. Getting compounded GLP-1s is really common in the US, a lot of doctors will prescribe off-label, it’s actually fine and it’s quite a shame it’s not really done in the UK, sad to see so many posts of women coming off the GLPs before they’re ready.

She's American i think. Its definitely illegal here and really idiotic.

What pharmacies ar offering compounds, it’s illegal everywhere.

As someone who has maintained for 20 years, give or take a year or two around kids and a few years at the higher end of my natural range, I have to say it really annoys me that people seem to think being slim after being bigger will be easy.

It's not. That's why diets don't work because you really do have to make anpermanent lifestyle change. Forever.

Most people have never known me when I was overweight so they probably think it's weird that I don't have cake and coffee or just a few biscuits but it's because I can't without sliding up the scales.

I say this in the nicest possible way: anyone losing weight needs to come to terms with making permanent lifestyle choices to maintain their weight. And I know its not fair that some people can eat more but that's just life.

Some people Use weight loss drugs and others don't and that's just life too.

I've had my belly hang longer than I've had my kids but I've had to accept ill never look like a catwalk model in a bikini. And that's OK. You've done brilliantly OP and overweight you would be so proud, and grateful, if you manage to avoid health conditions and can use and enjoy your healthy body.

You said you had a BMI of around 19? Mine is over 23 with under 20% bodyfat. I’ve gained around 8-10kg of muscle over the past 5 years. Agree nothing can be done with stomach- I have some loose skin on lower stomach from pregnancy but arms now just look jacked.

re carbs

i dont thinks it’s feasible to cut out a food group in its entirety

it will likely lead to binge eating and you won’t reach your goals. carbs are also essential for pre workout!

there are some hacks - measure out everything so you know how much you’re consuming

high protein breads can be helpful. And some carbs are more satiating than others - potatoes, oats and my personal favourite is butternut squash which has very low calories per 100g

it can be done but requires consistency and diligence

lots of cheat codes on having high protein / low cal treats too - fat free skyr yoghurt is great with berries and crushed meringue. It does require a little thinking outside of the box but this is all nutritious food!

Pharmacies are doing the compounding. It’s not really risky, doctors give you proper dosing, no need to be so weird about it

Yes obesity is definitely much better than unnecessary drugs..for sure 🙄🙄🙄

cutting out carbs doesn't make someone fit either.