Judge lets three boy rapist go free with no jail time

I think they should be chemically de-testosteroned. And that should be the punishment for rape and SA crimes.

As a deterrent to others and as a preventative for reoffending.

I think people will look back on this dark era for women and girls and the way the system stood by and facilitated abuse at scale by men and boys and view it in a light not dissimilar to the horror with which we now view the enslavement of people of colour and other crimes against entire swathes of humanity, because that is the scale of this problem.

Sorry, I haven’t read the full thread and couldn’t bear to read the other thread, as I was so sickened by the crimes and then the verdict - if anyone has the know how or a link to how I can protest (or whatever the word is) about the verdict, then please do post/re-post.

Those boys knew what they were doing was harmful,
degrading,
illegal,
criminal and
they not only did it once,
they did it twice,
it was premeditated,
filmed it
posted it,
then pleaded not guilty and
subjected their victims to the ordeal all over again.
They are criminals at best.

The judge is NICHOLAS ROWLAND.
Perhaps his previous trials need to be reviewed.

If anyone's interested/incensed there was an Old Bailey judge who has called this judge "brave" in his sentencing choice.

This is the scale of the problem.

I have written to my MP and also filled in a form online to say that I think this sentence should be reviewed.

Exactly. No one cares about women and girls, least of all this government. The grooming gang scandal highlighted it recently, and nothing changed. The Pelicot trial - and others similar across Europe (apparently there's an online network where these monsters plan and put up photos of their wife being raped). Then all the sex crimes that happen day after day after day, all the internet abuse, paedophilia, sex trafficking, porn.. And women actually had / have to fight to be recognised as a single sex category, to keep our single sex spaces, because Starmer, Burnham and their champagne socialist buddies 'think' some women have a penis.

An amoeba could work out 'many men hate women' (as Greer said in 1975), but somehow they get away with it time and again.

If anyone's interested in the zoom out here, around 3% of rapes result in any charge at all in the UK. And those are the ones where a victim is brave enough to report.

And last year the conviction rate fell.

The whole system is just a cess pit of injustice.

Those girls went through the whole additional trauma of a trial, and for the judge to sympathise with the attackers.

Watch the channel 4 news programme on the make judge who presided over the pelicot trial. (not UK obviously but it's the same misogyny)

We're being failed at scale. It's a disgrace.

Yeah but Starmer. Words are cheap.

Anyone remember this?

'Lucy Connolly, the wife of Conservative councillor Raymond Connolly, was handed a 31-month sentence in October last year after she admitted publishing and distributing "threatening or abusive" written material on the X social media site.'

Apparently in Starmers world, words on a website get a 31month custodial sentence, but planned rape, attack, humiliation (5 week trial and found guilty), they get to go home with a thanks for being brave chaps.

No.

Starmer does have the power to suspend the judge who gave these non punishments, Judge Nicholas Rowland.

Is it 'appalling' enough to do that, Keir?

I genuinely think that judges who make such rulings reveal unpleasant facts about themselves.

They've also done this not once but twice (or more, we don't know?) ...so yeah it seems like they have had enough awareness of what they did in order to repeat it.

I'm not saying once is justifiable, (please don't misunderstand my point here) but the emergence of a pattern of abuse and an MO must surely suggest that their LD doesn't affect their abilities in this particular way to the extent that it could excuse them from culpability for their actions in the law?

A chance attack might be more possible in LD (although no less of a crime) but the planning? The repetition? The post-rape abuse via sharing online? Does it not show a perverse ability to work as a team- and mean they are able to communicate, to build trust and a relationship with the girls with an ulterior motive the whole time?

Ugh. Rage against the stupid machine. Ffs

I completely agree with your sentiment, but I wish there was another way we could show this? As I’m not sure who “they” exactly are that sift through these requests.

Anyway, glad Keir Starmer had spoken out about this. Can’t believe he had actually said something I agree with.

How it doesn't amount to grooming I don't know

Slight correction they not only filmed it for their misuse. They then shared both films according to the news, that was among their charges as far as I understand.

So I'm just thinking that their learning difficulties don't interact significantly with their ability to plan and carry out a layered process of attack and abuse.

Nailing my colours to the mast here I'm a SEN parent and it's infuriating that LD are being misused to protect them.

One could even say they planned it - due to the fact one lured her there, online.

I don't think it hurts to show support to request review. So 'they' understand how many of us are angry about this. It's still open to report.

No, but plenty of people have reported just describing the case. Anyway, it’s under review now. I just hope justice prevails for the girls and the safety of all girls.

Where they will be really hard to trace once they reach adulthood.

Intensive therapy and a tag and curfew might be a start.

So potentially they serve some time and then go back into the travelling community.

I will be honest and think they are very very unlikely to be upstanding citizens ever. I wonder if the judge was so woke he didn’t want to be seen as ‘picking’ on them.

Judge struck off. Rapists 10 years each.

I think the judge should be struck off. There should be repercussions for being in a responsible position, yet clearly negligently incompetent.

Raped at knife point and they got away with it. It's beyond shocking. Those girls will be tramatised for the rest of their lives. Hopefully their sentence will be changed to a more appropriate one. Like 5 years minimum custodial.

I think that those boys do need intensive therapy and they should get whatever punishment will ensure it, in order to try to minimise future risk. Will youth prison offer that? I don’t know, as I haven’t the expertise. They probably do need some custody time as an example, but trying very hard to change their attitude is the main thing.

Cultural nonsense shouldn't come into it.

It's like they learned nothing from the northern grooming gangs.

It's either against the law, or it's not. Not some people have a different law.

Whether they marry at 16 still can't be an excuse for raping at 15

And they pleaded NOT GUILTY

How on earth could they do that when they'd actually filmed themselves committing this crime??