Judge lets three boy rapist go free with no jail time

If they were to get married in a year or so, what is the likelihood of their young wife reporting DV or worse, given the cultural pressures.. doesn't bear thinking about

They've probably fcked off never to be seen again, already. Until the next rapes maybe.

They're part of the traveller community so no, they absolutely won't get what's coming to them.

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What an odd comment. I’m sure he does want the sentence to be reviewed, but we have an independent judiciary in this country and he will have to wait for the process to be followed just like everyone else.

Agreed

Give it up, when you're in a hole stop digging. You know and we all know that he can do it if he wants to, through the correct route. But he doesn't want to. Because he gives not a fck about women and girls.

Agreed.

And what message does it send?

What hope is there for equality and safety.

These boys are a danger, regardless of age and learning need.

The judge is tying himself up in knots protecting the perpetrators.

A weapon, multiple rape, filming, sharing, planning, repeating - and no sentences. I don't understand how much worse it really needed to be to get deserving of justice and prevention of worse happening in the future.

A male bodied person should never preside in a trial of a female, more so because of the victims ages - just as young as the rapists
....which he doesn't mention!!?!!!

That is not right. A judge can still act within his or her own discretion. Yes sentencing guidelines should be considered but a judge can make any sentence they like, but they must justify it and say why.

In this instance, Nicholas Rowland did say why. But his reasoning seems to have been so detached from the planning, premeditated nature and harm done that it is going to be unduly lenient by the time the Court of Appeal hear the case.

A lot is going to be made of their ages and ADHD. To be honest that does not seem to match the degree of organization and planning done, and use of a knife, and repeat offending. To me that would suggest a very long time in detention.

That’s not how government works, and even if it did it requires agreement of the Lady Chief Justice, who’s boss is the king, not the PM.

This really nails it

Exactly.

I read the PM has power to suspend high court judges. But either way - Starmer is Lammy's boss so if it's true Lammy can - then he can tell him to.

That's ridiculous.

The pelicot(male, ofc!!) judge asked the men who couldn't get an erection, why not- the implication being that it is obviously an arousing situation and that the men who couldn't "perform" were somehow the odd ones.

The bias is writ large

To say that these rapists did it for content is 1) equally alarming and 2) minimises (again!) the very serious offences they committed, not once, but ten times.

All I hear is excuse and minimising language.

It's toxic from the top down.

The PM has no such power. That would be down to the Lord Chancellor (David Lammy) and the Chief Justice (Baroness Carr). The process is described here: www.complaints.judicialconduct.gov.uk/rulesandregulations/MisconductandRecommendingSanctions

They've just had a former Old Bailey judge on BBC. She seemed to think that it was highly likely that this will be reviewed.

She also said something that had entirely passed me by: that their primary motivation was not sexual gratification, but making video footage that they could put online. If true, that makes it far more serious, imo: it's clear that it was premeditated and planned.

Starmer (as PM) has the power to suspend him. As Starmer is so 'appalled' by the situation, perhaps he will. On the other hand.

Judge should be struck off.

Done and shared. Thank you.

Not only that, rape men are allowed to go to a women's prison in some parts of the UK (Scotland), if they say they're 'a woman' (vomit). So a man rapist could be in a prison cell with a woman who has been raped. Yep. That's just an example of how much people who think men can be women, give a shit about women and girls (Keir, Burnham, Lammy, anyone from Labour, Sturgeon, anyone from the Green party, anyone from the Lib dems etc).

https://c.org/RJXm6cpHf9

There's a petition on change.org to "Investigate Judge Nicholas Rowland and Introduce a Judicial Accountability Framework".

I didn't know that the Judiciary cannot be held to account. To quote... "Judicial immunity was designed to protect independence. Not to shield judges from accountability when they repeatedly fail the most vulnerable people the justice system exists to serve." This obviously needs to change or we will continue to see examples of institutional misogyny through the Judiciary.

Please sign.

Until a very recent change in the law the victims counselling notes could be pulled in rape trials.

Like who is on trial here?

Who is the victim?

Disgusting.

(Typo edit)

It feels as if we live in a society which thinks women are not 'really' harmed by rape yet men are harmed by being jailed for rape 😔

This is so true (obviously you know as you were in the police). We were subjected to pretty much weekly thefts by Irish travellers on the farm I grew up on, and we’re not talking small items - a lorry, horse boxes, quad bikes etc. Even though we had strong evidence of who had taken those things and exactly where they would be, the police didn’t want to know, ever. They are literally lawless.

And yes I know that’s not the whole community, and there are good and bad etc, but when it comes to the bad ones the police won’t touch them.

I read this today and was horrified, it’s also not the first time they’ve done this, filmed it and posted online. Truly disgusting