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What does it take for exclusion?

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Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 20:29

My DC is being bullied. It’s been awful and I’m dealing with it through school and by other routes. This isn’t a post about what’s being done about that.

I was thinking about my time at school many moons ago, and if anyone had done what this bunch had done, I’m quite sure they would be frog marched out of school, never to be seen there again. I raised this and school have said things are very different these days, which had me pondering what it actually takes to be excluded from a school these days. Please share your stories/experiences.

IABU - of course things are more lenient these days, and that’s how it should be

IANBU - the discipline system in schools has gone to the dogs and the system needs to be tougher

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Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:38

Namechange1012026 · 23/05/2026 22:26

I work within a LA that works on PEXs and the processes to ensure they are lawful. We did have a recent bullying PEX but the video went viral on Facebook and it was horrific, victim was being strangled so it is also a police matter.

Generally PEXs are hard to evidence and we get a shocking amount through which actually I'm 100% behind why school have PEXed but their paperwork and processes to that point have been poor so the PEX has not stood up on challenge. If there is the slightest hint of heading to exclusions, the paper trail for schools is critical and too many just aren't good at that support before

This was a worry of mine because I’m not confident that it would be up to scratch if it ever got to that point.

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YourBlueDuck · 23/05/2026 22:37

It's almost impossible to PEX now because it costs a school c.£10k per permanently excluded pupil - which is not money in easy supply with tight school budgets! It also has to be justified at a panel with governors, and parents have a right of appeal - if the governors don't feel it's a watertight case they'll overturn it. The perpetrator's SEN needs often seem to take precedence over any victims too - it's almost impossible to PEX a student with SEN needs, even for significant assault. There's also generally not the pastoral staff to really deal with low level bullying, which then escalates. Crap situation all round - it's not that most schools don't care, but their hands are tied

monkeysox · 23/05/2026 22:37

Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:33

Been there, done that 😕

What was the outcome. Chair of governors. Ofsted?

Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:36

Imthefunfriend · 23/05/2026 22:31

Oh and get back onto the police. Ask for an update. Ask them what they are doing, by email. Put everything in writing. Look at their complaints policy and follow it.

Also done this too.

Seems like I’m doing what you guys would do.

I just really wanted to understand how schools worked these days and seems like exclusions aren’t really a thing anymore which just seems wild to me!

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Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:34

Imthefunfriend · 23/05/2026 22:25

Yes, escalate within the school. Complaints procedure. Governors. Keep being a pain in the arse. Keep going into school and asking for meetings. You need to be a pain in the arse that they want to go away.

ETA ask for a copy of your child’s file. Ask them what their procedures are for requesting a copy of their papers. Pay the admin fee. Review their bullying policy online and quote it back to them!

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Been doing this too.

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Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:33

monkeysox · 23/05/2026 22:23

Complaints procedure for the school. Unacceptable..

Been there, done that 😕

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canuckup · 23/05/2026 22:32

I'd just go straight to the police. And mean it.

Imthefunfriend · 23/05/2026 22:31

Oh and get back onto the police. Ask for an update. Ask them what they are doing, by email. Put everything in writing. Look at their complaints policy and follow it.

Namechange1012026 · 23/05/2026 22:26

I work within a LA that works on PEXs and the processes to ensure they are lawful. We did have a recent bullying PEX but the video went viral on Facebook and it was horrific, victim was being strangled so it is also a police matter.

Generally PEXs are hard to evidence and we get a shocking amount through which actually I'm 100% behind why school have PEXed but their paperwork and processes to that point have been poor so the PEX has not stood up on challenge. If there is the slightest hint of heading to exclusions, the paper trail for schools is critical and too many just aren't good at that support before

Imthefunfriend · 23/05/2026 22:25

monkeysox · 23/05/2026 22:23

Complaints procedure for the school. Unacceptable..

Yes, escalate within the school. Complaints procedure. Governors. Keep being a pain in the arse. Keep going into school and asking for meetings. You need to be a pain in the arse that they want to go away.

ETA ask for a copy of your child’s file. Ask them what their procedures are for requesting a copy of their papers. Pay the admin fee. Review their bullying policy online and quote it back to them!

monkeysox · 23/05/2026 22:23

Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:20

I have. Police gave me the spiel of what they were going to do and that they are tough in these situations etc etc etc then proceeded to do absolutely naff all. My DC hasn’t even had an apology.

Complaints procedure for the school. Unacceptable..

ToffeePennie · 23/05/2026 22:22

Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:20

I have. Police gave me the spiel of what they were going to do and that they are tough in these situations etc etc etc then proceeded to do absolutely naff all. My DC hasn’t even had an apology.

This is (I think) what my friend is getting too. Apparently it needs to be proved that it is sustained and systemic attack/hate crime to get noticed.

Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:20

monkeysox · 23/05/2026 22:14

Id report that to the police
Schools can, do and should PEX for severe incidents

I have. Police gave me the spiel of what they were going to do and that they are tough in these situations etc etc etc then proceeded to do absolutely naff all. My DC hasn’t even had an apology.

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Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:17

Imthefunfriend · 23/05/2026 22:10

This, if they are secondary school age report to the police. That will spur the school into action.

ETA just saw you involved the police. What are the ages? You may need to move your child.

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Secondary school age. I’ve spoken to my DC about moving but he’s adamant at the moment he doesn’t want to and he says why should he. Morally, he’s right. I’ve said if it continues for much longer I’ll be making the call and moving him.

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Octavia64 · 23/05/2026 22:16

Ex teacher

temporary exclusions (what used to be called suspensions) are reasonably common and are usually for physical assaults, drugs in school, bringing a knife into school, racism, homophobia, setting fire to things etc.

many councils now have a policy of trying managed moves (ie moving the kid to a new school in hope of a fresh start) and other such things rather than permanent exclusion.

monkeysox · 23/05/2026 22:14

Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 21:50

Oh it’s most definitely physical assault. The incident I refer to as IMO being enough for exclusion resulted in a broken bone. But before this, there have been other physical incidents.

Id report that to the police
Schools can, do and should PEX for severe incidents

Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:11

ToffeePennie · 23/05/2026 21:58

All of my above post is to show you are not alone in this and also make sure you document everything. Make police reports and apply for SAR from school - you want EVERYTHING they’ve ever had on your child. Because that’s stuff you can take to the police. Good luck

Thank you. I’ve pulled them on absolutely everything and anything they speak to me over the phone about gets followed up and documented on email so I have a paper trail of everything

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Imthefunfriend · 23/05/2026 22:10

Treebaubles · 23/05/2026 21:55

Have you gone to the police? If school aren’t doing anything about physical assault, definitely report it to the police.

This, if they are secondary school age report to the police. That will spur the school into action.

ETA just saw you involved the police. What are the ages? You may need to move your child.

Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:09

ToffeePennie · 23/05/2026 21:55

My friends daughter was beaten, lost consciousness and continued to be kicked. The video that went viral showing this incident was how my friend found out. Not through the school…, through a video.
She was taken to hospital where she had several stitches in her abdomen and chest due to the bully kicking her with pointed shoes, making lacerations, and she was cat-scanned and had a moderate-to-severe concussion. My friend refused to send her daughter back until the bully was gone….she is still waiting. This happened in January, first day back, and the bully still swans around the school like she owns it. Obviously I don’t know about police involvement but I know there must be something.
will the school expelled the child? Will they fuck - the bully is besties with a teachers child, so they don’t want to piss off the teacher by expelling her child’s bestie.
Oh and the “reason” given by the bully? “Friends child said they think theyre gay and we don’t want gaybos at our school” so it’s also a hate crime as the bullies friends were screaming “kill the gaybo” in the video….

Thats just awful. I’m really sorry she’s going through that.

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ToffeePennie · 23/05/2026 22:09

RonnieForteWhiskyTalkinNSOUL · 23/05/2026 22:06

@ToffeePennie That kid is dangerous most would shit themselves if their actions caused another kid to lose consciousness but to carry on with the attack id say was unusual .

For the grace of God the attack victim didn't die.

Oh absolutely. My son attends the same school and says most days the bully looks like the cat that’s got the cream. Luckily he is 11 but looks about 14/15, plays rugby and can be quite intimidating looking so he has never had to deal with this child, apparently they run like hell when he appears. (Which is what gave the bully the opportunity, my friends daughter had been with my son all lunchtime, his bell went for his class to start and as soon as he was indoors, my friends daughter was launched on)

Goonie1 · 23/05/2026 22:08

Treebaubles · 23/05/2026 21:55

Have you gone to the police? If school aren’t doing anything about physical assault, definitely report it to the police.

Yep. Reported it. Got all the spiel about what they were going to do. Guess what….nothing done.

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RonnieForteWhiskyTalkinNSOUL · 23/05/2026 22:06

@ToffeePennie That kid is dangerous most would shit themselves if their actions caused another kid to lose consciousness but to carry on with the attack id say was unusual .

For the grace of God the attack victim didn't die.

mydaughterisademon · 23/05/2026 22:06

The problem is due to the massive increase in SEN, and lack of specialist schools, PRU’s are being used to support them. All PRU’s are over max capacity. So where do the excluded kids go! There’s also a lot of politics behind the scenes between school and LA. I know our local mainstream with 1.5k kids hasn’t done an exclusion since 2018, because there is literally no where for them to go

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 23/05/2026 22:02

My son had an awful year last year, due to one child being repeatedly violent towards him. He had previously been violent to a number of other children too, and very little was done about it, at most he lost lunch time.

This year, we’ve been told that if the children bring in any toys from home it’s an automatic stage 4 disciplinary, which means suspension.

So, toys are worse than being punched and kicked, apparently.

Lightuptheroom · 23/05/2026 21:59

Then I'd suggest you request an urgent meeting with the head teacher and the chair of governors. If you get no joy from that then contact the fair access team at your local authority. The problem you'll have now will be that the school are unable to issue a permanent exclusion retrospectively, they also can't convert a suspension into a permanent exclusion, so any 'past' incidents can't result in a permanent exclusion now. If this is a state school then they should be able to coordinate a managed move for the child doing the bullying as they would be classed as 'at risk of exclusion' , that could also involve the other child being 'directed off site' ... If it's an independent school then unfortunately they aren't bound by the DfE code for permanent exclusions .