To see benefits as a safety net, not handouts?

Good luck doing that in the NHS.

Council housing.

@inmyhair thats actually not the basic principle of the introduction of welfare state and should not be what benefits are for

they should be below minimum wage and short term. So working should always pay more. None of this choosing 16 hours and expecting state to top you up. None of the keep having children you can’t afford and expect more child benefits, housing eyc

total overhaul needed and back to basic principle of if you want something go work for it

It's also the fact that the carer would obviously have to be paid. There's no way I'd be able to earn enough for that. 😂

Just to point out that not everyone on NMW gets UC. People seem to think they do

It's also the fact that the carer would obviously have to be paid. There's no way I'd be able to earn enough for that. 😂

The people suggesting that have no idea.
Carers save the nation a ton of money. I find it weird that by you caring for your own child, which will be a good thing for them... is considered wrong because you are depriving someone of a job somewhere down the line.

Yet in other threads, people are berated for not caring for their elderly parents.

I would argue that MH/ND is harder to have accommodation for in the workplace.
A ramp, adjusted desk and apps etc is easier to accommodate for.

How do you accommodate for someone with behavioural or mood issues?

Council housing.

I've also lost count of how many times I've been told to just hire a professional carer for my disabled son so I can work. A person even helpfully told me just the other day how wonderful it would be because it would mean someone else gaining employment too.

Absolutely clueless.

Literally how do you expect them to exist, then?

Then they need to negotiate a higher wage with their employers rather than relying on a blanket high NMW which actively dissuades employers from hiring at entry level in the first place.

There a plenty of jobs people will be unable to do do due to their disability. And that's fine we need to acknowledge this and move on.
But equally there are plenty of jobs that someone who is in a wheelchair or has social anxiety could do. We need to shift the focus onto these types of jobs. Yes, we will push people out of their comfort zone, so what?

I totally agree with most of these suggestions, but just wanted to point something out re people talking about what they can't do. Frequently they aren't being defeatist or making excuses, but are pointing out the genuine difficulties lots of people face, in the hope certain realities might start to percolate through to the hard of thinking (I don't mean you, I'm speaking generally about how these threads tend to go.)

No one is saying it's impossible for, say, disabled people to get a job, but there's a huge number of people on MN who seem extremely ignorant of the limitations some disabled people face. A lot of morons people post along the lines of 'But work will make you feel better! A few weeks of walking up three flights of stairs in an office with no wheelchair access, and you won't even need your wheelchair any more! You're just being negative! It's all a matter of mindset! You just don't want to work because you're rolling in it on PIP [!!] and get your nails done every Thursday!' OK, I've exaggerated somewhat there for dramatic effect, but you get my general point - it's important to challenge the more ignorant/clueless narratives, and in that context saying certain things aren't possible isn't negativity, it's realism.

Similarly when people are struggling to find work for genuine reasons, there's so much 'There are plenty of jobs, there must be because just the other day my local cafe was advertising for someone to clear the tables', 'They're not trying hard enough, otherwise they'd have found a job by now' (according to some recent figures many job seekers in the UK send out 50 to 100 applications before they finally strike it lucky, employers are receiving 20–50+ applications on average for each vacancy they advertise, and graduate roles can attract 140+ applicants each), 'In my day you went into every business in town with a CV until someone agreed to hire you', 'They can just retrain' (sometimes true, but takes time), and in one memorable example last weekend, 'Why don't they just set up a cleaning company, they'd be raking it in overnight and if anyone disagrees with me they're just not go-getting enough!'

The sheer ignorance and prejudice some people post on MN (again I don't mean you) needs challenging, and some so-called excuses are actually valid reasons. When people point that out, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are being negative or defeatist although I get how it could seem that way.

It’s all got out of hand, and needs reform.

It’s literally the second highest in Europe (after Luxembourg, a far wealthier country). Yes I think it’s high. And it’s insane that people can also get benefits to top it up, much of which goes straight into the pockets of landlords.

I live rurally thanks. NMW should be just high enough to pay for the absolute necessities, same as benefits. And that does not include a car. Some people do of course need a car for their job but that is between them and their employer, not something that should factor in when setting minimum wage.

I've also lost count of how many times I've been told to just hire a professional carer for my disabled son so I can work. A person even helpfully told me just the other day how wonderful it would be because it would mean someone else gaining employment too.

Absolutely clueless.

It’s literally the second highest in Europe (after Luxembourg, a far wealthier country). Yes I think it’s high. And it’s insane that people can also get benefits to top it up, much of which goes straight into the pockets of landlords.

It’s literally the second highest in Europe (after Luxembourg, a far wealthier country). Yes I think it’s high. And it’s insane that people can also get benefits to top it up, much of which goes straight into the pockets of landlords.

High? You think the NMW is high?

I take you’re aware that some on the NMW need to claim UC to make ends meet?

Below NMW? So you want to push children of benefits recipients further into poverty? Let's bring back the workhouse, don't want these greedy children getting used to the "gifts".

Then they need to negotiate a higher wage with their employers rather than relying on a blanket high NMW which actively dissuades employers from hiring at entry level in the first place.