To see benefits as a safety net, not handouts?

It pisses me off when people who are on benefits and don’t work at all, talk about “getting paid.”
You’re NOT getting paid because you didn’t do any work to earn it.
I don’t say anything to them but I think it!

I pay an absolute fuckton in tax and I work extremely hard. To the detriment of my health, at times.
I’ve worked three jobs before because we needed the money.

I knew someone who got a two week all-inclusive 4star hotel holiday abroad every year and would smugly tell me that she was always organised a week in advance, when I said I’d probably be up all night to get ready for our week in s/c.

She genuinely couldn’t understand why I wasn’t also similarly organised!

I knew her very well and she’d show me emails she’d sent to local MP’s, so that she could get free fencing installed.
Because her DD had high functioning autism and could “bolt at any moment.”

(my fence cost me 2k)

Funny how she never supervised any of her DC out in the street, particularly when this girl had a go-kart that she’d race around on the ROAD with.

Happy for the benefits system to support those who need it. Just not chancers/lazy fuckers.

Well yeah he's sounds quite unwell i don't see how a crack head with a personality disorder and who is also a pyromaniac would cope in full time highly paid skilled work so will obviously need benefits when he leaves prison.

Oh you're just the gift that keeps giving.

I'm not the only disabled person to have posted.

''I'm not making it 'all about me' it's a thread about benefit claimants, of which I am
now one after 40 years of working. Why shouldn't I post to defend assumptions made & incorrect statements?

your post was nasty.

True.

But it still happens and happened with more frequency a few years ago so they're still people benefitting from the system now.

I mentioned a family I know where the Mother was born in 1971 and had four sons.

3 of her sons are in social housing by having a partner who had kids with them and was claiming as a single parent and they just live there. To be fair, some of those women work part-time but the men don't . Unless you count drug dealing as work. They don't officially live there but do.

One of her sons got a 2 bed council flat due to his' mental health' needs and social care supporting him to have a 2 bed so he could have his daughter overnight as her Mother was an addict who just fucked off and left the child to a Grandmother. He was an addict with a personality disorder too but let's not judge..

He tried to set fire to the entire block of flats while high on crack cocaine and is now in prison.

I'm sure when he comes out we'll fund another flat for him. And PIP and every other benefit that his family have relied on for years.

Tutorpuzzle · Today 15:06
That Joseph Rowntree research, * was qualitative (volunteer interviews), with 47 people in 20 families in precisely 2 locations. Hardly extensive. You are very patronising towards * ,who, like me, has direct (if anecdotal) experience of families in exactly this situation. YOU ‘do better’.🙄

The Rowntree research actually tried to find people who were from 3 generations of worklessness. But they were so rare to find they couldn't conduct meaningful research on such low numbers. They had to relax the criteria to 2 generations of worklessness and even that was hard to find. They did just review 47 people in 20 families but that's who they found in a large population in Glasgow. 20 families wasn't all they searched through, it was the numbers they found in their criteria. These 20 families had 2 generations of worklessness.

I don't have any skin in this game. I don't know loads of people on benefits playing the system or not. But I do like to get this stuff right.

Your post just displays your nasty attitude.

it's exactly what they're saying/implying.

im not attempting to shut anything down. Why do you think disabled people with lived experience & skin in the game shouldn't post?

Thwre will always be more minimum wage jobs than better paid jobs.
The higher you go, the fewer people there are ...
It's always been like that
A meritocracy we are not lol

You may have made subsequent posts, but I did quote your actual post, so I did read your 'actual reply'.

But the difference now is the wait time can often be 10 years instead of 6 months. You use to be able to have a baby and get a house now it doesn't work like that. Why do you really think teenage pregnancy rate has gone down

Tiny, tiny sample. Difficult to recruit. Interviewees had to be paid. Qualitative research (so unreliable as far as statistical data goes). And questions such as ‘Have you ever worked?’ completely skewing any results.

Find better research, @pointythings .

Shes allowed to share her story just like anyone else on here without being accused of making it about herself. You don't own the thread

It's a bit of both.

Yes, they are,

If she feels this thread is attacking her when it patently isn't, then yes. she's making it all about her and trying to shut down discussion.

As are you saying 'don't be nasty'. Where was I nasty saying this thread isn't about you so don't try and make it so?

It has changed significantly.

But social housing doesn't mean council housing, there are lots of housing associations providing housing still paid by the taxpayer to allegedly single Mums (and in some cases Dads) and it depends where you live. And if you can claim a disability which bumps you up the list. And includes non-physical disabilities.

I've been on benefits for a long time, over 2 decades. I've never seen it as handouts, but the term "safety net" implies a short-term rescue. It hasn't been short term for me due to disabilities in the family which will last for life. For me I feel it's an entitlement and a right, and I don't get hung up on how other people discuss it. It makes no difference to me if others think I'm not deserving - the only opinion that matters is the decision maker or perhaps an appeal panel.

I know the legal entitlements and we've never struggled to be awarded due to lots of evidence and medical input, or had any pressure to come off benefits. It's unlikely that I'll return to work as the disabilities and caring responsibilities will always be there, and I've got used to budgeting and understanding the system for my situation.

You could be born in the 50s and have 4 generations not working.

You are assuming over 18 mothers

Don't be so nasty how is she making it all about her

Yes, that must have been incredibly scary. It's scary when you live alone, but at least I don't have any dependants!

mine was literally overnight. Went to bed as normal & woke up disabled. I was 55, full of life & plans! Finally able to concentrate on my my retirement funding... ha fucking ha. Now after 40 years of working, begrudged a small amount of pip, mainly by people who haven't even been alive as long as I've been working!

I don't think anyone is saying or implying that.

But go ahead if you want to make it all about you.

It's often used as a way to try and shut down discourse when it doesn't apply.

Nobody get benefits based on a diagnosis if your truly disabled and been through the system you would know this

People on here still think we have the benefit system of the 90s get pregnant get given a council house sit on benefits until your kid is 16. They don't seem to understand how significantly its all changed

Absolutely this. And told that your experience of claiming pip and the lies that are told in the pip process can’t be true.

I’m disabled and I don’t see this website as hostile. I do see a lot of very fed up taxpayers who are watching a soaring benefits bill and querying whether somebody should get £400 a month for ADHD, and I think that’s totally fair.

And the criteria for determining whether there was intergenerational worklessness are very specific.

You could have a case where person A is 56 and never worked, lives alone. Their child B has never worked and lives with her two under-16 children. Her child C is 18 and has never worked, but has moved in with her boyfriend and his family. Her boyfriend has also never worked, but his mother had a job lasting 6 weeks when she was 19.

This would not count for the purposes of the report as intergenerational worklessness, but we can all see that is actually the case.