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To see benefits as a safety net, not handouts?

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ForGreyStork · 23/05/2026 14:23

It’s the way benefits are talked about. To me, they’re part of a social security system -a safety net that people may need at different points in life, rather than “gifts” or handouts.
I also wonder whether increasing conditions and restrictions risk undermining that safety net over time.

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CatkinToadflax · 01/06/2026 15:21

Pickledonion1999 · 01/06/2026 13:56

Yes my understanding is that it will be very difficult to get the higher LCWRA unless terminally ill. You will literally have to prove your condition is progressive with no chance of improvement. I imagine we will see a surge in people asking for MR's and appealing being awarded the lower rate which will clog the already overloaded system up further.

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Yes. We recently went through the mandatory reconsideration process for my son and the wait was months and months long. In our case, if the assessor had done their job properly in the first place, ideally it wouldn’t have gone to MR.

Pickledonion1999 · 01/06/2026 13:56

Yes my understanding is that it will be very difficult to get the higher LCWRA unless terminally ill. You will literally have to prove your condition is progressive with no chance of improvement. I imagine we will see a surge in people asking for MR's and appealing being awarded the lower rate which will clog the already overloaded system up further.

x2boys · 01/06/2026 13:44

Locutus2000 · 01/06/2026 13:20

There used to be a tier between standard UC and LCWRA for people potentially able to work in the future. This was removed.

Also removed from UC was the 'Severe Disability Premium' which you used to get if in the ESA Support Group and receiving any level of PiP. £300 or so IIRC, it's why everyone transitioned to UC has 'transitional protection' which protects the previous income but is frozen until regular benefits catch up.

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What happens when disabled teenagers come off their parents claim and can claim in their own righr ?
My son is 16 with severe autism and learning disabillties hes non verbal and will never be able to work
We currently claim for him but when hes 19 he can claim in his own right .o

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/06/2026 13:35

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 01/06/2026 12:23

No wonder the country is fucked if some people think working for 14 hours a week is too much.

Did you miss the SEN child bit?

CatkinToadflax · 01/06/2026 13:29

Locutus2000 · 01/06/2026 13:18

LCWRA has been quietly halved for most new claimants, from £430pm to £217pm. Which isn’t great for people who genuinely can’t work.

This isn't quite correct. People who are assessed as having 'severe, lifelong conditions' or terminal illness will still receive the full rate. It's not entirely clear what those conditions will be, and the longer term plan is to replace the LCWRA assessment with the one for PIP.

Hence I said MOST new claimants.

Locutus2000 · 01/06/2026 13:26

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Plishplosh · 01/06/2026 13:24

Ok I am not familiar with all this, but the changes I was first reacting to in my initial response was the reduction of LWRCA from £430 to £217 for most new claimants that took place in April of this year.

XenoBitch · 01/06/2026 13:24

Locutus2000 · 01/06/2026 13:20

There used to be a tier between standard UC and LCWRA for people potentially able to work in the future. This was removed.

Also removed from UC was the 'Severe Disability Premium' which you used to get if in the ESA Support Group and receiving any level of PiP. £300 or so IIRC, it's why everyone transitioned to UC has 'transitional protection' which protects the previous income but is frozen until regular benefits catch up.

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Yes, there is no LCW anymore for new claims.
Were people in the old ESA WRAG group moved to LCW when they were migrated?

XenoBitch · 01/06/2026 13:21

Plishplosh · 01/06/2026 13:18

What do you mean? Were people paid more than £430 in 2017?

No, it was about £158 if you were in the LCW group.

Locutus2000 · 01/06/2026 13:20

Plishplosh · 01/06/2026 13:18

What do you mean? Were people paid more than £430 in 2017?

There used to be a tier between standard UC and LCWRA for people potentially able to work in the future. This was removed.

Also removed from UC was the 'Severe Disability Premium' which you used to get if in the ESA Support Group and receiving any level of PiP. £300 or so IIRC, it's why everyone transitioned to UC has 'transitional protection' which protects the previous income but is frozen until regular benefits catch up.

XenoBitch · 01/06/2026 13:19

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 01/06/2026 12:23

No wonder the country is fucked if some people think working for 14 hours a week is too much.

For some people, that is all they can manage to to being disabled, or looking after someone who is disabled. Or being a single parent.

No one fit and able to work that has no children or caring responsibilities can get away with working 14 hours. The Job Centre pushes you to do more to get you out of their seats.

Plishplosh · 01/06/2026 13:18

XenoBitch · 01/06/2026 13:16

The extra amount that LCW used to have was taken away in 2017. That was not mentioned anywhere at all.
I have known people in that group who had been in it for years. They end up getting reassessed and placed in LCWRA because living on such a low amount had a detrimental affect on their health. LCW is the same amount as people looking for work.

I am not 100% but AFAIK there are still plans to do away with the WCA altogether and link UC to PIP... which makes no sense to me.

What do you mean? Were people paid more than £430 in 2017?

Locutus2000 · 01/06/2026 13:18

CatkinToadflax · 01/06/2026 08:49

LCWRA has been quietly halved for most new claimants, from £430pm to £217pm. Which isn’t great for people who genuinely can’t work.

@lavenderscenteddrawerliners we spent a long time in NICU with DS1. Many NICUs have access to short term hospital accommodation or charity accommodation (e.g. a Ronald McDonald House) for parents living a long way away from their baby. I’m sure you must have suggested this already, but just in case…. I hope this family get the support they need.

LCWRA has been quietly halved for most new claimants, from £430pm to £217pm. Which isn’t great for people who genuinely can’t work.

This isn't quite correct. People who are assessed as having 'severe, lifelong conditions' or terminal illness will still receive the full rate. It's not entirely clear what those conditions will be, and the longer term plan is to replace the LCWRA assessment with the one for PIP.

XenoBitch · 01/06/2026 13:16

Plishplosh · 01/06/2026 10:34

LCWRA has been quietly halved for most new claimants, from £430pm to £217pm

yeah I heard about that. It’s outrageous. Surprised they were able to do it with seemingly little pushback or discourse on it?

The extra amount that LCW used to have was taken away in 2017. That was not mentioned anywhere at all.
I have known people in that group who had been in it for years. They end up getting reassessed and placed in LCWRA because living on such a low amount had a detrimental affect on their health. LCW is the same amount as people looking for work.

I am not 100% but AFAIK there are still plans to do away with the WCA altogether and link UC to PIP... which makes no sense to me.

Kirbert2 · 01/06/2026 12:34

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 01/06/2026 12:23

No wonder the country is fucked if some people think working for 14 hours a week is too much.

It is for some though, especially in circumstances such as pp with a disabled child. Some can't work at all with a disabled child, never mind 14 hours a week.

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 01/06/2026 12:23

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/06/2026 11:50

It is for some of us who have no family and have a child with SEN who can only attend nursery in the mornings. I would have to work three shifts a week in order to match a higher paid individual who might do less hours for that wage. My point is that for the low paid worker starting work requirements at starting school might be better.

No wonder the country is fucked if some people think working for 14 hours a week is too much.

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/06/2026 11:50

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 01/06/2026 11:46

Yes but that’s hardly an onerous requirement - less than 14 hours a week on national living wage

It is for some of us who have no family and have a child with SEN who can only attend nursery in the mornings. I would have to work three shifts a week in order to match a higher paid individual who might do less hours for that wage. My point is that for the low paid worker starting work requirements at starting school might be better.

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 01/06/2026 11:46

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/06/2026 08:49

The three year funding you have to earn over £700 a month.

Yes but that’s hardly an onerous requirement - less than 14 hours a week on national living wage

Plishplosh · 01/06/2026 10:34

CatkinToadflax · 01/06/2026 08:49

LCWRA has been quietly halved for most new claimants, from £430pm to £217pm. Which isn’t great for people who genuinely can’t work.

@lavenderscenteddrawerliners we spent a long time in NICU with DS1. Many NICUs have access to short term hospital accommodation or charity accommodation (e.g. a Ronald McDonald House) for parents living a long way away from their baby. I’m sure you must have suggested this already, but just in case…. I hope this family get the support they need.

LCWRA has been quietly halved for most new claimants, from £430pm to £217pm

yeah I heard about that. It’s outrageous. Surprised they were able to do it with seemingly little pushback or discourse on it?

Kirbert2 · 01/06/2026 10:10

CatkinToadflax · 01/06/2026 08:49

LCWRA has been quietly halved for most new claimants, from £430pm to £217pm. Which isn’t great for people who genuinely can’t work.

@lavenderscenteddrawerliners we spent a long time in NICU with DS1. Many NICUs have access to short term hospital accommodation or charity accommodation (e.g. a Ronald McDonald House) for parents living a long way away from their baby. I’m sure you must have suggested this already, but just in case…. I hope this family get the support they need.

I was going to suggest this too. My son was older so he was in PICU and we were given priority for charity accommodation as he was transferred to the hospital from our local miles away as it didn't have a PICU.

CatkinToadflax · 01/06/2026 08:49

LCWRA has been quietly halved for most new claimants, from £430pm to £217pm. Which isn’t great for people who genuinely can’t work.

@lavenderscenteddrawerliners we spent a long time in NICU with DS1. Many NICUs have access to short term hospital accommodation or charity accommodation (e.g. a Ronald McDonald House) for parents living a long way away from their baby. I’m sure you must have suggested this already, but just in case…. I hope this family get the support they need.

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/06/2026 08:49

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 01/06/2026 07:39

It’s 30 hours now isn’t it? Unless someone in your household earns over £100k

The three year funding you have to earn over £700 a month.

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 01/06/2026 07:39

Coffeeandbooks88 · 31/05/2026 22:43

16 is stupid but I think four or five would make sense than three considering unless you earn a fair bit you only get 15 hours nursery..

It’s 30 hours now isn’t it? Unless someone in your household earns over £100k

Coffeeandbooks88 · 31/05/2026 22:43

youalright · 30/05/2026 06:30

But the fact its gone from 16 to 3 is already showing great improvement. Benefits aren't just easy to claim and sit on lile they use to be. The majority of people on long term Benefits now are disabled or carers

16 is stupid but I think four or five would make sense than three considering unless you earn a fair bit you only get 15 hours nursery..

lavenderscenteddrawerliners · 31/05/2026 21:53

lavenderscenteddrawerliners · 31/05/2026 20:59

I didn't say she was representative, but things like this happen on a daily basis. It's such a fat cry from what you read in the DM.

far cry