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Is a tidy ordered house really that important?

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Shokupanman · 23/05/2026 00:18

I am a bit done today.

I heard today school mums have been gossiping about my house being a mess and saying I'm "a scruff." These are people I've welcomed into my home, and defended. People who I like and trust.

My mum has early onset dementia, my dad died when I was a child. I do have a sister who is amazing but she has her own family and challenges; we muddle through together to support my mum best we can. I have a 5 year old and an 8 year old, and a high pressured management job. I know my house could be more presentable but I do my best. It's messy but it's clean for the most part. I'm trying not be be but I'm SO hurt. I know my values are good and if someone else told me this story id say it doesn't matter but aibu to be so hurt? It's really upset me. My husband says forget it but I'm struggling. It's like the straw that's breaking the camel's back.

OP posts:
hellogoodbyeandseeyou · 24/05/2026 09:18

GeraniumPlanters · 23/05/2026 20:33

Sending you a hug. They sound horrible. You sound lovely. FWIW, the people I know who have very tidy houses are generally rather insipid, unintelligent and boring 🤷‍♀️

What an odd thing to say. 😂

Calliopespa · 23/05/2026 23:48

SqueakyFromme · 23/05/2026 20:43

People are so mean, sorry OP I can tell you’re really upset by this.

Yes it is just mean - and so pointlessly so when you are doing all the really important stuff.

Emeraude · 23/05/2026 21:41

Bedroomdilemmas113 · 23/05/2026 20:30

Honestly, if you think cleaning your bathroom fortnightly is acceptable, I couldn’t care less about your opinion. It turns my stomach to think what a bathroom cleaned so little must look like.

What an odd hill to die on. Get a grip.

ThisCandidMintGoose · 23/05/2026 21:22

"I can't be bothered to tidy up because it doesn't bother me" is a very fair and reasonable statement.

"I can't be bothered to tidy up because I have a life" makes you sounds like an idiot. We all have lives.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2026 21:06

EmeraldShamrock000 · 23/05/2026 20:54

Everyone or just those who do their own cleaning. It is possible to reassure OP with being critical towards people who have tidy homes.
My Dsis has a beautiful spotless home, she is a very fast cleaner and naturally puts things back into their place, she also has a professional job, hobbies and interests.
It comes naturally to some people, doesn’t mean they are unintelligent, if anything it shows excellent organisational skills and the ability to plan.

It isn't having a tidy home that people see as unintelligent: it's elevating it to some sort of achievement that warrants commenting negatively about others that tends to signal small-mindedness.

Also, there's tidy and tidy, exactly as @SwatTheTwit has described. It is when having things tidy is such a guiding mission that it is resulting in having few or no things in the home that testify to some kind of cultural or intellectual or artistic or creative interests that a home starts to exude the "mindless tidy" vibe. And it is the owners of such homes who tend to be the ones who make comments about other's homes not being up to scratch.

The vast majority of normal people don't care.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 23/05/2026 20:54

GeraniumPlanters · 23/05/2026 20:33

Sending you a hug. They sound horrible. You sound lovely. FWIW, the people I know who have very tidy houses are generally rather insipid, unintelligent and boring 🤷‍♀️

Everyone or just those who do their own cleaning. It is possible to reassure OP with being critical towards people who have tidy homes.
My Dsis has a beautiful spotless home, she is a very fast cleaner and naturally puts things back into their place, she also has a professional job, hobbies and interests.
It comes naturally to some people, doesn’t mean they are unintelligent, if anything it shows excellent organisational skills and the ability to plan.

NinaGeiger · 23/05/2026 20:51

Shokupanman · 23/05/2026 08:08

No there isn't trash everywhere. I clean the kitchen several times a day. Never go to bed without all the dishes being done etc. put laundry away as soon as it's dry. Deep clean the bathroom once a week/fortnight if really busy. We have one hamster but no free roaming pets! We just have a lot of stuff so there is clutter and the living room gets messy. I tidy it all up when the kids go to bed but I guess when school mums have been in my house it's usually cos kids have been to play and the toys are all out!

Just writing that out makes me realise how ridiculous this gossip is. It's not a show home but it's lived in and a place where kids can be kids and I'm not ashamed of that.

It sounds like you clean more than me.

And when I was having regular health visitor visits, my HV told me my house was cleaner than hers

EmeraldShamrock000 · 23/05/2026 20:50

OP your house sounds completely normal. They’re just petty people, the sooner you break away from them the better.

SqueakyFromme · 23/05/2026 20:43

People are so mean, sorry OP I can tell you’re really upset by this.

SwatTheTwit · 23/05/2026 20:42

FWIW a tidy house is important to me, but I rarely go to anyone else’s houses and pay any attention to them. It’s their house, live how you want.

Plus there’s levels and interpretations for what clean and tidy means. I have a relative who’s obsessed with cleaning and I’m sure mine wouldn’t be up to her standards, but in the same way, I go to her house and think having my nose immediately assaulted by 4 air fresheners by the door is ridiculous. However, I don’t live there so who cares?

GeraniumPlanters · 23/05/2026 20:33

Sending you a hug. They sound horrible. You sound lovely. FWIW, the people I know who have very tidy houses are generally rather insipid, unintelligent and boring 🤷‍♀️

Bedroomdilemmas113 · 23/05/2026 20:30

Emeraude · 23/05/2026 19:14

You sound like a bully.

Honestly, if you think cleaning your bathroom fortnightly is acceptable, I couldn’t care less about your opinion. It turns my stomach to think what a bathroom cleaned so little must look like.

SinuousTendrils · 23/05/2026 19:42

I am angry on your behalf, what massive horrid twats. Here is a huge sign to ditch these vile women and spend time with your real friends.
My house is a shit tip and I couldn't give fewer fucks.
Life is too short, enjoy your long weekend spending time with your kids and ignore the mess.
(My mum used to put mess in boxes and cover these with tasteful fabric, making side tables. She was a genius ❤️ She also always had a houseful of friends, none of whom gave a shit about the state of her house)

suki1964 · 23/05/2026 19:40

itwillgowithoutahitch · 23/05/2026 14:58

I am sorry you overheard that. If you are only cleaning your bathroom every 2 weeks though..that might be the reason.

She said a Deep clean , ill do the sink loo bath and shower every day, but the tiles and floor ???

TorroFerney · 23/05/2026 19:34

tiramisugelato · 23/05/2026 14:08

I hate how these threads inevitably descend into loads of sneering comments about how anyone with a tidy house can't have a life.

If you're genuinely happy with the way you live, why the need to make nasty digs towards those who do things differently?

Completely agree - and the post that you are obviously a bit thick if you have a clean house. The irony.

Emeraude · 23/05/2026 19:14

Bedroomdilemmas113 · 23/05/2026 08:28

If you only clean your bathroom once a fortnight if you’re busy, that does suggest your standards are lower than just a bit messy…

You sound like a bully.

StevieNic · 23/05/2026 18:29

It sounds like these women have allot of time on their hands to make idle gossip. Maybe they’ve nothing to do but clean and bitch. Meanwhile you are balancing a high level job, two children with no family help, and a home to look after. Props to you.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2026 18:02

Liberancho · 23/05/2026 17:45

Your epic posts suggest otherwise.

Plus your need to let everyone know you gather books on shelves.

Great you have a cleaner and don't judge those that don't.

I do worry about all those messy academics that don't have someone cleaning up their dust and mess.

I said nothing about gathering my books on shelves.

And I am sure no-one needs you worrying about dust. Probably tbh a lot of household cleaners are more toxic.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2026 17:58

ThisCandidMintGoose · 23/05/2026 17:40

and? If they are not your friends, don't invite them.
Or why do you care? Judgy people can judge anything, your address, the colour of your walls? Would people repaint the living room to satisfy judgy guests?

If you hate the state or your house, you are weird to put up with it.
If it's perfect for you, then why change.
Nothing to do with guests.

When I read the hysteria from local groups about teachers visiting before the kids start reception, it's ridiculous. Or a bit of a worry if kids live in such terrible condition the house needs a complete overhaul and a week cleaning and tidying before a teacher can walk in.

Edited

Well I think in fairness OP only realised people were judging when she heard them do so. And, as she said, she is doing her best. I expect she was perfectly happy with it beforehand.

Cooshawn · 23/05/2026 17:46

For me, yes it's very important. I don't think messy can be clean because that wouldn't make sense. How can the messy parts be clean?

I'd never bitch or gossip about someone's home, but I wouldn't go again if it was too chaotic or dirty for me.

I'm very very busy. I have more than a full time job, care for a parent with dementia, I'm studying for a masters, volunteer as chair of governors, sit on appeal panels and have a few other volunteering roles. My husband is disabled and we have dogs that want plenty of exercise.

My house is tidy and clean. I've had to develop systems that work for me (ADHD and ASD) but find it stresses me when things aren't as they should be now. If you don't see it as priority, that's fine. And people shouldn't be bitching about you. But I think you're lying to yourself when you say you don't have the time.

Liberancho · 23/05/2026 17:45

Calliopespa · 23/05/2026 17:32

Because some guests are very judgy - as this thread shows.

Your epic posts suggest otherwise.

Plus your need to let everyone know you gather books on shelves.

Great you have a cleaner and don't judge those that don't.

I do worry about all those messy academics that don't have someone cleaning up their dust and mess.

ThisCandidMintGoose · 23/05/2026 17:40

Calliopespa · 23/05/2026 17:32

Because some guests are very judgy - as this thread shows.

and? If they are not your friends, don't invite them.
Or why do you care? Judgy people can judge anything, your address, the colour of your walls? Would people repaint the living room to satisfy judgy guests?

If you hate the state or your house, you are weird to put up with it.
If it's perfect for you, then why change.
Nothing to do with guests.

When I read the hysteria from local groups about teachers visiting before the kids start reception, it's ridiculous. Or a bit of a worry if kids live in such terrible condition the house needs a complete overhaul and a week cleaning and tidying before a teacher can walk in.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2026 17:32

ThisCandidMintGoose · 23/05/2026 17:08

And a lived in house cannot be tidy AND loved?

I don't understand people who have to tidy up for guests. If you are not comfortable with the state of your home, why do you put up with it and stop your own enjoyment? Your peace in the house is more important that guests visiting for 1 hour?

Because some guests are very judgy - as this thread shows.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2026 17:29

ThisCandidMintGoose · 23/05/2026 14:17

I find the post you are replying to so unnecessarily bitchy 😂it says a lot about who wrote it, why being so nasty?

I agree with you, the people I know who do the most tend to have the calmest homes. House is full of books, but they have things called bookcase and the books are not, I don't know, on a big pile on the floor?

furniture from certain periods of historic interest how is that untidy in any way? You see them better when they're not hidden under a pile of mess though.

People are indeed hosting, and have pretty much an open-house, because it's always.. visitor ready? So kids friends, playdates, adult coming by? Always welcome.

It's much easier for children to study and find their resources in a tidy environment too. They do non-stop clubs and do need all kind of kits, which are easy to find and full because they are put away properly.

If these threads show something, it's that it's people who seem to bring a lot of anger and resentment, and jealousy by the sound of it.

Yes, it was my post to which you are referring, and I was expecting to get push-back - the reason being the very reason for which I wrote it.

There are certain topics that operate a kind of "valve system" when it comes to criticism. One of these is weight, where it seems to be that people feel they are doing some sort of public honesty service by calling people out for being overweight, yet the merest hint that someone might look wrinkly or gaunt or ill from lack of weight is seen as rude (and it is). The same seems to apply to untidy houses where people love to critique from a position of thinking theirs is tidier (like the "friends" of the OP) as though being on the tidy side of the fence gives some sort of immunity to being unkind. Many such threads even start to haul out the MH diagnoses, and always judgments are cast such as @GethsemaneHall's comment that people with messy homes tend to "lack get up and go. " Yet try the accusations in reverse, and suddenly those types are 😦

The background to my post is that I mix with a lot of academics, and, you guessed it, many have faintly shambolic homes. I hear so much criticism of them for it. One had a party for her dc a couple of years back and the MIL was there. There are several tables in the house but, at that time, they were covered by paperwork and books (and yes, she has heard of bookcases, but was mid flight working on things). Her work was across two tables and a third had a huge and frankly rather amazing Lego work in progress that the whole family were doing together. But yes, it was messy. She had then organised a brilliant party game where she had set clay in trays with tiny fossils inside for the children to excavate. Of course that became a bit messy too and the amount of vitriolic criticism coming from her MIl was unbelievable. Lots of sneery muttering about "no wonder the place is such a shambles [tinkly, taut-throated laugh]"; "Well we COULD have put the cake on the table in the living room but ... " [ followed by despairing trailing off and pained look complete with eye roll]. And yes, the place was messy, probably shambolic, but the children were happy, stimulated and my dc have not stopped talking about that party. At that time I did think I have a mental image of EXACTLY what your house looks like MIL, and when we dropped by some months later it was indeed EXACTLY what I had imagined and I thought how absurd it would be if my friend had started in with the same sorts of negative, needling comments in the other direction. But of course she didn't, because in one direction commenting is seen by some as acceptable and in the other direction it is recognised as what it is: rude and judgy.

A similar story is possibly a bit outing so I paused before posting it, but then realised I need not worry as the friend in question has no DC, messy creatures that they are! But over the years I have got to know her DSis, who is a lovely lady. One of her DC is ND with SEN and she runs the most amazing art sessions for him and other children with similar needs. The house is quite messy, but she has loads of their work displayed everywhere and has put a lot of time into it generally. My friend herself, who is fun on a night out but frankly lives in quite a self-focused way, is unbelievably condescending about her Dsis' home. She herself has loads of (honestly quite amazing; I think they both have an artistic vibe that self-expresses very differently) wardrobe of incredible clothes. Think big walk-in with a glass centre cabinet to keep dust of her gloves etc. But she thinks it is somehow fine to talk about her Dsis as having "a grotty little house with all that peculiar kiddy craft everywhere." I just don't think it's OK, and I do tire of hearing these things dressed up as "concerns" for people.

Both the messy home owners in these examples have nothing whatsoever to feel embarrassed about, and both bring a lot of joy and skill to bear on their activities.

So I'm afraid I take the view that if it's ok to cast judgment, then it can be cast in all directions. We can all say what we think when we enter a certain type of home. Or we all shut up: I don't mind which.

And I'm glad some poster's reactions demonstrate they have clearly taken heart in what I posted.

And as for the comments about jealousy, yes I think that DOES play a role, but usually not on the part of the person with the mess. I suspect my friend's MIL is a frustrated academic herself who never got the chance and would have loved to get her teeth into something a bit more fulfilling than pledging the dining room table for the 8th time that month.

As for me, I'm lucky: we have a cleaner - as does, incidentally, the friend with the enormous, glass-cabinted dressing room. But I am not about to judge anyone who doesn't.

AImportantMermaid · 23/05/2026 17:08

Speakofthedevil · 23/05/2026 15:44

Well, since you asked, yes, I do care, and I do think less of people who look like scruffs and live in 'stys. I wouldn't tell them that unless they asked. If they asked - I would. And I wouldn't gossip behind their backs, that's low and bitchy, I'd rather tell them to their face if needed.

I don't buy the excuses. You (general you, not just the OP) just can't be arsed. So own it, it's ok, your house, your appearance, your business. Now 'mum's sick, dog's dying, ADHD, whatever, whatever, yadda yadda'. I mean, most people have problems and issues. I'm a single mother, have a full-time job, have a couple of health issues, and other stuff. Nothing unique about that. You either want to live like a normal person in a tidy house, and respect yourself enough not to dress like a vagrant or like you gave up in life, or not. I do.

Nobody cares if you think less of people. What impact does that have on them? Zero. But if it gives you a chance to feel like the dog’s bollox fill your boots.