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Is a tidy ordered house really that important?

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Shokupanman · 23/05/2026 00:18

I am a bit done today.

I heard today school mums have been gossiping about my house being a mess and saying I'm "a scruff." These are people I've welcomed into my home, and defended. People who I like and trust.

My mum has early onset dementia, my dad died when I was a child. I do have a sister who is amazing but she has her own family and challenges; we muddle through together to support my mum best we can. I have a 5 year old and an 8 year old, and a high pressured management job. I know my house could be more presentable but I do my best. It's messy but it's clean for the most part. I'm trying not be be but I'm SO hurt. I know my values are good and if someone else told me this story id say it doesn't matter but aibu to be so hurt? It's really upset me. My husband says forget it but I'm struggling. It's like the straw that's breaking the camel's back.

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TheJoyousHiker · 26/05/2026 10:38

Maybe no-one actually said that about your home at all. Person C could have made it up. I’d forget about it.

bondix · 26/05/2026 10:20

Honestly, these people are the ‘school gate brigade’ and definitely not friendship material so please do not let what they say get to you. You deserve much better than them.

Middlemarch123 · 25/05/2026 21:12

The reason these judgy mums homes are tidier than yours OP, is because their kids are creating your mess! Stuff em

Cel77 · 25/05/2026 21:07

They're being incredibly shallow and thoughtless . Ignore.

Loulouboho · 25/05/2026 20:55

Honestly you’re doing 1000x better than me. I regularly worry about the state of my house but there are not enough hours in the day!

Calliopespa · 25/05/2026 15:34

I think (ironically) people have misunderstood the points about a correlation between tidy homes and being dim.

Of course it isn't dim to have a clean, tidy home. Nothing dim about getting someone to come in and clean it and equally keeping a house decent need not be a herculean task.

But what is a bit small-minded is when it turns into a preoccupation - and it becomes the sort of thing that you talk about at school gates, or, indeed, the people come on these threads to post "neighbour has piles of unwashed laundry in her utility room. AIBU to suspect MH issues?"

IME the sorts of people who bother to comment on other people's homes being messy tend to be the types who have very spartan homes devoid of much evidence of interests. That isn't to say you cannot have a lot of interests and education and a full life and still have a clean home; but to find yourself wanting to gossip about it moves it into a different category. And there ARE people who would turn down an invitation because they need to wax the wooden floors.

dreaminglife · 25/05/2026 12:22

Sartre · 23/05/2026 08:11

Do they have jobs? I often find it’s SAHM’s with little life outside of their children who act like this. I’m not being snooty against SAHM’s before anyone pounces, I just think working mums have so much going on day to day they don’t have time to stand around gossiping about bullshit at the school gates.

It goes without saying but they’re witches. Most houses with young children are a bit messy.

Always good to attack SAHMs when you get the chance - the irony.

Dogmum74 · 25/05/2026 12:22

LadyTakingTea · 23/05/2026 12:30

That is a very unfair thing to say.

I am a very long way from dim and I like cleaning my house. I like imposing order when spaces have become chaotic and I enjoy the fruits of it.

If I am going to cook, I like the kitchen to be clean and bright...for me.
If I am going to have a bath, I like the bathroom to be clean and fresh smelling...for me.
If I am going to bed, I like sweet smelling sheets and pretty cushions...for me.
If I am going to wear clothes(!) I like them to be clean, mended and ironed. I am my own lady's maid...for me.

I treat myself as very important person who is worthy of a pleasant environment.

On top of all this, I am an intelligent woman who reads, writes, plays an instrument and keeps abreast of current affairs.

So, to like cleaning and want a lovely environment is not dim but your remark certainly is.

Edited

It equally doesn’t make you dim to have a messy lived in house

Dogmum74 · 25/05/2026 12:21

Bedroomdilemmas113 · 23/05/2026 08:28

If you only clean your bathroom once a fortnight if you’re busy, that does suggest your standards are lower than just a bit messy…

Or, it suggests that you have far too much time on your hands and are one of the snobs she is talking about

Dogmum74 · 25/05/2026 12:18

I have 6 dogs and a house permanently covered in dog hair. People don’t like it? Don’t come. You are not my people anyway. Fuck them. Snobs

Comicalblackcat · 25/05/2026 11:03

Hi OP you sound like a very normal lady with a happy family, ignore what those stupid others say, enjoy your life happiness is more important. Keep smiling

kennycat · 25/05/2026 00:27

if these women are happy enough to let their children go to your house then your house can’t be that bad! or they have massive double standards. either way they sound like a bunch of horrors who should be avoided and definitely not invited round again.

Mere1 · 24/05/2026 23:14

Shokupanman · 23/05/2026 08:08

No there isn't trash everywhere. I clean the kitchen several times a day. Never go to bed without all the dishes being done etc. put laundry away as soon as it's dry. Deep clean the bathroom once a week/fortnight if really busy. We have one hamster but no free roaming pets! We just have a lot of stuff so there is clutter and the living room gets messy. I tidy it all up when the kids go to bed but I guess when school mums have been in my house it's usually cos kids have been to play and the toys are all out!

Just writing that out makes me realise how ridiculous this gossip is. It's not a show home but it's lived in and a place where kids can be kids and I'm not ashamed of that.

Your home sounds absolutely normal. You have a family and there are toys etc. It’s clean and tidied daily. You have a career. School mums behaving like toddlers shouldn’t bother you. You are worth more.

Vivienne1000 · 24/05/2026 19:42

They are not friends are they?
We are all different, that’s what makes the world tick. Some of us are extremely tidy, some messy and the majority fit somewhere in between.
If they are going to judge, don’t let them into your home. It’s just not worth it

ThistleTits · 24/05/2026 19:33

I've always believed that I go to people's home to visit them, not to inspect how they keep house.
Ignore the judgemental morons, they are not walking in your shoes. 💐

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 24/05/2026 19:19

Carry on regardless. It's your home and your have a lot on your plate with your family and mum. Being tidy is the least of your worries.

Perhaps some of these judgemental women with time on their hands, could come around and help tidy your place up. Maybe couple of times a week.

Keep on trucking.
👍😻X

Jafferz · 24/05/2026 18:48

These women clearly have nothing going on in their lives/brains. I couldn't even start to care about the idle gossip of anyone like this. Neither should you.

plominoagain · 24/05/2026 18:47

Well , their comments would certainly inspire me to start decluttering immediately. Decluttering my ‘ friends’ … because the person who made sure that got to your ears , isn’t one .

I’m sitting at my kitchen table at the moment . It’s got my handbag , a huge glass vase of beautiful smelling stocks , a pile of cookery books that I’ve been thumbing through for inspiration for tomorrow’s lunch , a bag I bought from the farmers market , an open packet of rice crispies from the cakes I was ordered to make by my daughter , and the bottle of gin that didn’t make it back to the drinks cupboard last night . Plus a half finished Lego bouquet , and some gingerbread. Is it cluttered ? Yes . Does it look like a rare and welcome weekend off ? Absolutely. Would I care if people turned up right now ? Couldn’t give a shit . In fact , I’d probably re open the gin .

As long as the house isn’t an actual health hazard , who cares? And I say that as someone who has worked in the emergency services for over 30 years , and went to plenty of places where you wiped your feet on the way out .

Allonthesametrain · 24/05/2026 18:31

Not nice of them to gossip like this, some people latch together and become bitchy groups. Please know for me it I wouldn't care what your house looks like, maybe if it was in inches thick filth, full of dirty stuff, but yours isn't. Mess is fine, it's natural! Xx

Nettie1964 · 24/05/2026 18:21

I dont care what people think of me. I used to have loads of "friends" but now I just prefer fewer complications. I would WhatsApp the group if there is one. And say that you have heard that people are gossiping about you and lay out the truth mum job kids etc. I wouldnt have them as friends personally but I dont know you.

TheGreatDownandOut · 24/05/2026 18:16

OP your ‘friends’ were being ridiculous. They have no right to comment on your home in that way unless it’s an environmental health hazard (and doesn’t sound like it is)

But this thread seems to have brought a judgy few out on the opposite side! That tidy homes can’t be lived in or loved or that people who enjoy cleaning are sad and obviously don’t have a life or that tidy people are boring. WTAF!

Minxmumma · 24/05/2026 17:59

A house full of love and life isn't spotless all the time. My house is clean but often a little chaotic with extra people, fun activities for the kids and heck knows what else.

And take no notice of the playground behaviour. You sound like a lovely person who has offered support and hospitality to those in need.

In future suggest they go elsewhere if that's how they feel. Please don't stop being your awesome self just because of others.

Calliopespa · 24/05/2026 17:59

YourRareMember · 24/05/2026 17:54

Those people sound absolutely vile. We all have different standards of how we like to live, and a lot of us will wish we had the time to do more cleaning and tidying. But in my personal opinion, whats more important is the things that you're doing instead of cleaning/tidying your house i.e spending time with your children, caring for your mom, putting food on the table, showing love to your kids. Those things should always come first, and if your house is a bit untidy in the process then so be it! These judgmental a-holes probably stick their kids in front of the TV all day to get things done and probably always have. They probably don't have high-pressure jobs either.

This post nails it.

YourRareMember · 24/05/2026 17:54

Those people sound absolutely vile. We all have different standards of how we like to live, and a lot of us will wish we had the time to do more cleaning and tidying. But in my personal opinion, whats more important is the things that you're doing instead of cleaning/tidying your house i.e spending time with your children, caring for your mom, putting food on the table, showing love to your kids. Those things should always come first, and if your house is a bit untidy in the process then so be it! These judgmental a-holes probably stick their kids in front of the TV all day to get things done and probably always have. They probably don't have high-pressure jobs either.

GeraniumPlanters · 24/05/2026 09:55

Calliopespa · 23/05/2026 21:06

It isn't having a tidy home that people see as unintelligent: it's elevating it to some sort of achievement that warrants commenting negatively about others that tends to signal small-mindedness.

Also, there's tidy and tidy, exactly as @SwatTheTwit has described. It is when having things tidy is such a guiding mission that it is resulting in having few or no things in the home that testify to some kind of cultural or intellectual or artistic or creative interests that a home starts to exude the "mindless tidy" vibe. And it is the owners of such homes who tend to be the ones who make comments about other's homes not being up to scratch.

The vast majority of normal people don't care.

This is exactly what I was trying to say. You did it a lot more eloquently! The ‘elevating it to some sort of achievement that warrants commenting negatively about others that tends to signal small-mindedness’ is spot on, and exactly my experience of super-tidy people.

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