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To ask to speak to a doctor ?

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3smallpups · 22/05/2026 22:41

Not in an aggressive way , just does it seem like a reasonable request ?
my brother has been admitted to hospital with what is clearly alcohol related liver disease. He is in no fit state to advocate for himself , rambling and barely conscious . Having been there for several hours today , there was no sign of a doctor on the ward at all. The head nurse was able to answer some questions but only to say that his bloods were all over the place and he’s waiting for a scan.
i have a medical background and it’s pretty obvious what the diagnosis is, without the scan and I know that there’s lab work that can be done to establish prognosis etc, which hasn’t been done .
i know that basically the only chance of a positive outcome is steroids started early , but I feel they aren’t going to do anything till they have done a scan ( likely not to happen over a bank holiday weekend ) and it will all be too late.
if this was my husband , I’d be laying in the corridor until they found me a doctor to speak to , it’s that important . But I sort of feel
as it’s my brother , I don’t have the authority? But I am his next of kin, our parents are dead and he is divorced .
actually just writing this out makes me realise that I need to stand up for him.

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allthegoldicouldeat · 24/05/2026 16:40

OP, it very much is the nurses’ fault, for not recognising his deteriorating condition and taking action.
It being a weekend is irrelevant.
It’s frightening to think that this is an example of hospital care.

3smallpups · 24/05/2026 16:35

Thanks all
am reading and absorbing
he is getting worse not better
yesterday he could be roused anough to be spoon fed , they dumped a sandwich on his tray table for dinner ! He can’t even chew. I made an egg custard for him and brought in a protein yoghurt. It’s the best I can do as can’t bring anything soft and hot as I asked if there was a microwave and was told no .
today he can’t even be roused to swallow
have put formal complaint in to nurse who is escalating it to the one doctor that seems to be on duty this weekend.
i have threatened formal escalation, whilst stressing I realise it’s not the nurses fault at all .

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Easterchicken · 24/05/2026 16:16

Doctors in hospitals especially on a weekend are rarer than unicorn shit

When my husband was deathly ill (like 3 times had to be shocked back ill) the useless morons went on the ward once a day spoke to him for 2/3 minutes then went off again

I caught one of them at the nurses station on Grindr which he's allowed to do but not when he's getting paid to work

The only time they materialised was when he flat lined then they all came out of the woodwork

wizzler · 24/05/2026 15:54

Db was an alcoholic and spent time in hospital. The nurses were great but I was rarely able to speak to a doctor, and the nurses were unable to change course of action. Db unable to advocate for himself. I wrote a letter to the doctor and left it with the ward sister. I think it helped, I was able to explain my concerns and I n is from the nurses that the doctor read it and took it seriously

ForgetBergamo · 24/05/2026 15:36

MissMoneyFairy · 24/05/2026 14:38

Impossible if he lacks capacity, you'll need to apply for deputyship or the court of protection

I am talking about when he hopefully gains capacity.

Manthide · 24/05/2026 14:53

Dm was fast tracking a Power of Attorney when db died. It was very difficult because though he had given written consent for dm to deal with his medication etc the surgery kept on wanting to speak to him. By this time he'd had a tracheostomy and was unable to speak.

MissMoneyFairy · 24/05/2026 14:38

ForgetBergamo · 24/05/2026 14:35

OP you sound great and I hope things improve.

In the medium term, I would consider getting Power of Attorney for both health and finances in case it’s needed.

Impossible if he lacks capacity, you'll need to apply for deputyship or the court of protection

Happyjoe · 24/05/2026 14:36

3smallpups · 22/05/2026 22:58

@Antihistamine62 yes, that’s the test, or calculation, I don’t think they have done but needs doing .they aren’t treating it as alcoholic liver disease until they have the scan, no one seems bothered by the fact that he has been drinking 6 bottles of wine a day . He hasn’t eaten anything for two weeks , he always has tremors but now they are terrible, partly due to weakness but also alcohol withdrawal as he has obviously not had a drink since he was admitted yesterday. They are so bad that he physically cannot hold anything or get anything to his mouth to eat or drink. I told the auxiliary nurse this at dinner time, I fed him and held a drink for him but I asked her to please help him if I’m not there as malnutrition and dehydration will not be helped but not having anything in hospital. She said she would but a bit later they came round with the meds and just plonked them on his table. He is barely conscious, can’t sit up and can’t get anything to his mouth but they expected him to take them unaided. I then , very politely, had a word with the head nurse before I left , to reiterate that he cannot even drink by himself, she looked surprised at this and said “ we try to foster independence “
I don’t have much hope that there is stuff going on behind the scenes that I’m not aware of sadly .

This is the level of care we've experienced for the last 20 years, it's frightening and neglectful when not even drinking is aided. I fought for FIL who had gone in with delirium to have an IV drip because he was out of it and convulsing. He'd not drunk or eaten anything for 48hrs, just things put in front of him. The drip helped loads and am not medical trained at all.

Please get him some more attention if able. So pleased for your brother he has you, I really hope they listen to you fast.

ForgetBergamo · 24/05/2026 14:35

OP you sound great and I hope things improve.

In the medium term, I would consider getting Power of Attorney for both health and finances in case it’s needed.

MissMoneyFairy · 24/05/2026 14:24

Unfortunately not has no legal right to medical info without the patients consent but staff do try and share information when they can

TheBloomingDahlia · 24/05/2026 14:00

I have experience of someone with a similar illness. I’m not sure how it is with weekends or bank holidays, but in that hospital the doctor did rounds once a day and if you are very insistent they might let you sit on a round. It’s not during visiting hours and they are not very happy about it but as NOK you deserve to have some actual info. I went with the NOK to take notes, and in order to get permission to come in she had been very assertive and not taken no for an answer.
I know everyone is very busy but it’s like getting blood from a stone sometimes and it’s stressful when the person is urgently ill. I was NOK for an elderly relative and was told she might not make the weekend. When I came in the next day I asked how she was doing and was told she was “very poorly” 🤨 which didn’t really mean anything given the circumstances

Theboymolefoxandhorse · 24/05/2026 13:57

hope he’s better today and getting correct management 💐

MissMoneyFairy · 24/05/2026 13:35

Do they know he's a heavy drinker, why was he admitted to hospital.

Manthide · 24/05/2026 13:35

He needs you to speak for him! My late db was an alcoholic and he was always put on withdrawal meds if he was admitted. Our parents, particularly dm (retired nurse) was his main spokesperson though he often resented her getting involved. When ds(23) had sepsis almost 2 years ago I couldn't believe how difficult it was to find a doctor in a&e. I truly believe he would have died if dd1 had not advocated for him (she's a doctor).

MissMoneyFairy · 24/05/2026 13:32

Personally I'd be calling for a second opinion, either the doctor on call or the itu outreach team who, sadly, doctors take more notice of than "plain old " ward nurses, you can call and ask switchboard to bleep them as an outside call. There will be medical cover and an admission team, amu is fine, but he can't be left untreated for withdrawals, he needs medication, fluids and blood tests, plenty of patients don't wait for a scan. It's difficult getting info, nok is not a legal right, it's frustrating so good luck. You can also ask to speak to the matron covering amu or the site manager.

Doone22 · 24/05/2026 13:28

You're next of kin and he needs you. Stop being so polite and worrying you might upset someone

FreyaW · 24/05/2026 13:21

Do it

Laurmolonlabe · 23/05/2026 11:12

Insist on seeing someone.

MrSchubertWhiskers · 23/05/2026 09:51

Good luck @3smallpups you're doing the right thing

WetBandits · 23/05/2026 09:31

At the very least I’d expect him to already be on chlordiazepoxide, Pabrinex and lactulose. Has he been given any of this? Pabrinex is a bright yellow liquid given IV, chlordiazepoxide is oral capsules (from memory they are very brightly coloured, but it varies) and lactulose is a liquid.

AMU isn’t such a bad place for him to be; I was an AMU nurse for a few years and looked after many people with decompensated cirrhosis, which is what is probably what is happening to your brother. There will (or should) be a doctor that covers AMU full-time and can update you on his care. The nursing team can refer him to the drug and alcohol liaison service, if there is one in your Trust. He also needs to be under the care of the dietetics team as proper nutrition is crucial for his recovery, the nurses should also be able to complete a referral for this.

I would ask the nurse looking after your brother when the daily ward round is happening as that will be when you get to meet and speak to the consultant and juniors involved in his care and find out exactly what is happening.

I hope he recovers Flowers

3smallpups · 23/05/2026 09:24

Thanks all
will bear all that in mind
he has a close friend with him this morning to make sure he gets food and fluids , I’m taking over later ( live two hours away which doesn’t help )
plan to ask to speak to a doctor on arrival and if no joy will 100 pc escalate if needed
have also equipped friend with a list of questions to ask if by any chance a doctor turns up this morning .

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Monty36 · 23/05/2026 09:22

Shocking.
I had a similiar situation with my father. Not an alcohol disease. There wasn’t a doctor to be found. I could buy a pasta salad and even a chicken leg in the huge airport style lounge downstairs. But in a hospital it was bereft of any staff to actually crack on with medical care. He was in terrible pain and it took me ages walking around to find anyone.
While I was with him a man in the bed opposite called for a nurse. She came and said ‘ I cannot understand you’. And walked away. Some nurse. I went over and said what is it ? He pointed to the floor. He had dropped a pencil he had been using for his crossword. Then he pointed to the water. I poured him a cup.
He was so grateful.
The state of some hospitals is shocking.

3smallpups · 23/05/2026 09:21

Cheese55 · 23/05/2026 09:10

You know this is the worst thing to do, not just the danger of withdrawal but will increase his drinking levels when you 'let him out'

Obviously I have no intention of actually doing that , for many reasons , was just pointing out that as a lay person , even I know the issues of alcohol withdrawal.

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TappingTed · 23/05/2026 09:14

@3smallpups ask if they’ve followed the CIWA protocol for alcohol withdrawal and say you would like it written in his notes that you are very concerned about his alcohol withdrawal and are requesting a medical review. Once they have to write it they will
want to cover their backs I’m sure.
Definitely push for a review and raise your concerns, bank holiday or no bank holiday weekend.

Musicaltheatremum · 23/05/2026 09:11

I feel your frustration. I asked daily to speak to a doctor re my FIL about his heart failure. I'm a doctor and they kept sending the young FY1 doctor who was great but couldn't answer all my questions as she didn't have the level of experience.
Once the palliative care team got involved it was much better but I had to fight for that. Things tended to get left and some staff really didn't know what they were doing.
Actually the best staff were the care assistants.