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AIBU to feel appalled by staff accessing murdered children’s records?

116 replies

girlfriend44 · 22/05/2026 14:18

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrpdkevvnko

Poor parents of Grace and Barnaby Webber. not only were their children murdered they then found this out about people looking up the records who shouldn't have.

Hope all those people are totally embarrassed. Glad they got caught out.

Barnaby Webber, Grace O'Malley Kumar and Ian Coates

NHS trust sacks staff over accessing attacks victims' records

Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust says investigations are ongoing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrpdkevvnko

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Decacaffeinatednow · 22/05/2026 17:26

Ian Coates was murdered too. His records were also accessed.

ScaredButUnavoidable · 22/05/2026 17:25

girlfriend44 · 22/05/2026 17:15

It is not human nature and it's none of other people's business. Is it human nature to go filming road traffic accidents like some people have started too. No it's sick.

Curiosity is human nature.

Filming road traffic accidents is not basic curiosity, it goes way beyond that and is not normal behaviour.

The two can’t be compared.

numberblocks54321 · 22/05/2026 17:24

At my sleepy hospital there was an A list celebrity who attended ED as their hometown is fairly close. Three final year medical students accessed their medical records unnecessarily. The IT department did an audit and when it was found out they were kicked out of university.

I remember another trust had a huge number of people access the records of an athlete who had had a cardiac arrest but I’m not sure how they were reprimanded

lenaperkins · 22/05/2026 17:24

BlueMum16 · 22/05/2026 14:33

This included Doctors.
From the article:

NUH confirmed the staff involved in the investigations included doctors, nurses, registered medical professionals, and administrative and clerical employees.

Well they should be struck off,

girlfriend44 · 22/05/2026 17:15

ScaredButUnavoidable · 22/05/2026 16:03

It’s human nature.

General society reads about the deaths in newspapers, or hears about it on the news, and the NHS staff have one more means of information as they can the medical details (which is their professional interest) and they see the true details as opposed to media’s version.

They are silly to take the risk in terms of thinking they won’t find out, but their motives are no different to anyone in society who either reads newspapers or watches the news with regards to being interested (for want if a better word) in horrific tragedies.

It is not human nature and it's none of other people's business. Is it human nature to go filming road traffic accidents like some people have started too. No it's sick.

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nocoolnamesleft · 22/05/2026 17:14

Totally unacceptable. This is just prurience. There was no way staff uninvolved in their care should have been accessing records.

girlfriend44 · 22/05/2026 17:13

Monzo1ss · 22/05/2026 15:51

No. They want to gossip about it whether that’s to people they know or to the press (and get paid).

Paid for what?

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Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 22/05/2026 17:01

Why on earth do 14% of people voting think YABU?!

Lifesyoungdream · 22/05/2026 16:41

I hope they all feel totally ashamed.What did they hope to gain from accessing the records.
They should be made to sit down with families of the victims and explain why they did it.

TirednessOnToast · 22/05/2026 16:35

@WearyAuldWumman goodness ! That's quite a career 😳

TeenLifeMum · 22/05/2026 16:33

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 22/05/2026 16:12

Sell information to the media?

But you really don’t get much money and they were stabbed so it’s fairly straightforward. It’s not enough money to risk your job over. With the Russian poisoning in Salisbury I can understand it more (not justifying it).

Passaggressfedup · 22/05/2026 16:32

Everyone at our trust are and have been told for many years that they could be seriously disciplined for even looking at their own records.

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 22/05/2026 16:12

TeenLifeMum · 22/05/2026 14:33

I cannot fathom what they were hoping to learn from accessing the records.

Sell information to the media?

WearyAuldWumman · 22/05/2026 16:07

girlfriend44 · 22/05/2026 15:48

Makes you wonder how much it's going on. What do they actually want to look at? The pictures🫪

Lord knows. The head of Children's Services was clearly out of his depth, in my opinion, but the social workers' bizarre actions weren't caused by him. He used to be the Director of Education, but Fife combined his post with that of the head of Children's Social Work. The two roles are once again separate.

He vehemently denied that the debacle in social work had anything to do with his resignation. He got a golden handshake and now runs a church.

The local paper occasionally runs articles about his endeavours both home and abroad. (He's a member of the Plymouth Brethren.)

ScaredButUnavoidable · 22/05/2026 16:03

It’s human nature.

General society reads about the deaths in newspapers, or hears about it on the news, and the NHS staff have one more means of information as they can the medical details (which is their professional interest) and they see the true details as opposed to media’s version.

They are silly to take the risk in terms of thinking they won’t find out, but their motives are no different to anyone in society who either reads newspapers or watches the news with regards to being interested (for want if a better word) in horrific tragedies.

singthing · 22/05/2026 16:03

Why on earth would you think anyone would find it UNreasonable?

WhereTheWeatherSuitsMyClothes · 22/05/2026 15:58

They deserved to be sacked for their stupidity alone! As others have said, I work for the NHS and it is very much drilled into you constantly, from day 1 not to access patient records without a legitimate need. I would not want a medical professional dealing with me with this level of stupidity and lack of care. well deserved sackings. Unbelievable.

girlfriend44 · 22/05/2026 15:56

PortSalutPlease · 22/05/2026 14:26

I work in a different Trust, and in ours it is vigorously drilled into you that all accessing of records is traceable and the consequences for doing so without need very serious.

The fact that so many people at the Trust did this is of significant concern in terms of the culture within the Trust.

I often handle very sensitive cases such as these in my role, and the idea anyone would want to access this sort of information without a clinical reason makes me feel a bit sick, to be honest.

I never realised until the entry that do tors can't look.you up unless they need too for a reason.
The doctor isn't just allowed to think I wonder what's happened to Mrs Girlfriend 44 I haven't seen her for a while . I will look.her up and see if she still comes to the practice. You can't

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BipityBap · 22/05/2026 15:53

I used to work for an organisation who provided services for a lot of high profile individuals e.g. footballers, celebrities etc.

We were explicitly told on a regular basis not to access those records unless dealing with that person. Someone did and was fired the same day.
This wasn't recently and I'm surprised high profile records aren't now locked down in some way.

Monzo1ss · 22/05/2026 15:51

girlfriend44 · 22/05/2026 15:48

Makes you wonder how much it's going on. What do they actually want to look at? The pictures🫪

No. They want to gossip about it whether that’s to people they know or to the press (and get paid).

Monzo1ss · 22/05/2026 15:50

So no less than 25 NHS staff members inappropriately accessed those records at that one Nottingham trust alone. Seems to me hugely indicative of the culture there. It must be common practice for them to do this, they just got caught out this time as the victims pushed.

girlfriend44 · 22/05/2026 15:48

WearyAuldWumman · 22/05/2026 15:29

In Fife, social workers who accessed the records of a murdered toddler were sacked. The head of Children's Services later resigned, though he said that it wasn't related to this matter.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-3034847/Nine-council-workers-sacked-spying-tragic-three-year-old-Mikaeel-Kular-s-personal-files.html

Makes you wonder how much it's going on. What do they actually want to look at? The pictures🫪

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girlfriend44 · 22/05/2026 15:46

Why do they do it? I wonder if they are embarrassed now.

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Shortsally42 · 22/05/2026 15:36

Ybu for asking a daft question!