AIBU to be upset about changes to women-only swimming ponds?

Yeah when you look at the demographic makeup of the responses it’s very clear that that was highjacked by trans activists

Exactly. It included everyone.

now women who don’t want to change and swim with men have nowhere to go. It excludes some women.

Now the EHRC guidance is out they have no excuse to not follow the law. I want these males out of our spaces. They are already well provided for.

It has been done.

Your point about the set up is one that we keep pointing out. Mixed sex options keep being rejected. Over the past couple of days, this rejection is surely becoming very clear. The male people who demand access to female single sex provisions don’t want to have their identity rejected. Part of the issues we face, is because they seek full validation and the power to force all female people to accept male people’s subjective belief about themselves that is not based on material reality.

To me, it seems like those male people exerting power over female people.

It's been done. The men called the police.

They actually had a perfect set up, everyone was provided for

Can you all protest? Go swim in the men's pool. Like loads of you. Say you're men.

I am not anti trans at all. But there is already a provision for trans people. They are able to use the mixed pool. It's not that trans women would be forced to use the men's space, there's no valid reason to take away the women's single sex space.

I don’t think anyone here believes they do.

The survey results are interesting though.

60.5% of respondents are some variety of LGBT or Q, and 6% are trans.

Obviously those people have a right to be counted as much as anyone else does. Also responses from that group won’t have been monolithic.

But equally obviously that is nothing like a representative sample of people who use or might use the ponds.

In fact the response base is so different from the general community that the ponds are there to serve, it discredits the exercise.

Exactly

And why people are pretending not to understand this is beyond me. It's women who suffer at the hands of perverted men.

This is the problem. Women only facilities that actually allow men in are a magnet for perverted men.

Last time I went there, about 5 years ago, an elderly man wearing a childlike bikini asked two young women to adjust his bikini top and was asking them if naked showering was allowed 🤮

Even if the results of the consultation were valid (and I doubt it) you can't just consult your way out of the law.

Imagine something like club of car enthusiasts holding a 'consultation' on obeying the speed limit. 🙄

Which is unlawful, because that’s women + some men

sure, dude

You know that the responses from women who objected were excluded (as in binned)?

That's unlawful. They can't allow some men and not other men.

And the one more recently.

No, because they don't claim to offer a single sex service. Signage clearly states that both biological women and trans women are welcome.

This consultation suggests that not everyone shares your views

https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/green-spaces/hampstead-heath/activities-at-hampstead-heath/swimming-at-hampstead-heath/hampstead-heath-bathing-ponds-consultation

Ugh. I'm sorry that's just awful.

I can't believe that the world is so topsy turvy now that a man ogling women in the changing rooms with an erection is not seen as the inappropriate one, but you objecting to him is what is inappropriate. It makes me so angry.

Over 10 years ago he would have been arrested for indecent exposure and put on the sex offenders register. The police used to be briefed on men sneaking into women's single sex spaces as part of their fetish, I remember reading an account by a female police officer saying this was a training course to raise awareness of these types of men until lobby groups like stonewall got involved and suddenly everyone had to pretend that creeps like that no longer existed.

I don't know where you get your information from but there amhave Ben interviews all over the media on the last year from women who use the pond who are extremely unhappy letting me use it.

In fact I notice a couple of them have posted on this thread. I hope you will check your sources of information to get a full view of the situation, not just rely on the BBC that repeatedlybdemonatrayes massive bias against women on the trans subject.

Yes it was grim. As much for the ridiculously high cut leg on the swimsuit with the hint of a bollock peeping out as anything else. I have regular swimming sessions with a group of female friends, all of us in late middle age. The pond has been out go to for many years, but now we mostly feel we can't risk it any more. Too many of us have varying shades of PTSD from men's sexual behaviour in the past.

I mentioned this particular incident when I responded to the "consultation". I suspect that was enough to have my response excluded for being "inappropriate".

Outrageous .

Yes. But they don't seem to think the law applies to them.