To be absolutely sick of hearing about the cost of living crisis

Your dad was possibly a higher earner to be able purchase a large property on his own as his first time buy (in the late 90s/00s) and also support a SAHM and family.

If he had an average or below average salary, how did he do it, as that is impressive. Or was this a second or third property and he had made his way up the ladder. Still impressive regardless.

How much are you paying in rent, that your nearly 6 figure salary does not allow a family day out?

Does your partner stay at home to look after the children (you mention ‘we’)?

it seems that you have got yourselves into a bit of a financial pickle 😬

Tackle the Marches how? It's a legal right to protest that is also afforded to those with the opposing viewpoint. It's not like anti-Islamists never march, or are prevented from doing so.

What about the bunch of right wing yobbos who were stampeding across the North East last year. Our town was on the list of potential 'targets'. Shopkeepers were boarding up windows in readiness. Fortunately they never got here. It's their right to protest, they couldn't have been stopped, which is why they weren't, but I dread to think how much the heightened police presence cost.

I don't know exactly what you mean by 'harbouring oppressive material' but I do think chucking fireworks and petrol bombs into mosques is pretty damned oppressive, don't you?

I’m not dissatisfied. We do earn close to triple what my Dad did between us for a significantly smaller house though.

I do think that there’s a lot of that yes - we pay really high rent to live in a nice house in a very nice city and I totally accept thats a choice — we also have a fair amount of business /tax payments in paying off - so yes I do think there are often things people aren’t saying and makes it hard to grasp the full situation -

When people with high salaries give a list of all the things they DON'T spend money on, there's usually a glaring exception, along the lines of "but we DO....pay private school fees for 3 kids/own a horse/live in London and have a mortgage 3 times higher than the average/am paying off debts/have a second home/am the sole worker with a SAH spouse thus my looks-good-on-paper salary is actually supporting 5 people...." etc.

Basically things that absolutely dwarf the "luxury" of spending £10 a month on netflix or £30 having your nails done.

Edited because I know that particular poster originally quoted wasn't making the "it's so hard to be on £100kplus" excuses you often see on here where high earners refuse to accept that the things THEY spend money on are equally non-essentials, even if they refuse to accept they are "luxuries."

WTF has that got to do with anything?

Your argument is hanging by a thread if thats the best you can offer up as debate

I went to school in the 1980s/90s (so more than 25 years ago) but at primary school (mid 80s) I think i could count on one hand the kids in the class who's mum worked ft.
My parents bought a standard suburban semi in outer London in the early 80s on one (quite average) wage as my mum was a SAHM until kids were in school. (She then worked pt, term time only) Neither of them got any inheritance from their parents or other relatives. The houses in that road are now £600-650k, which would be pretty difficult on one salary.

Agree that is ridiculous

Amen to this
My eldest is 32 and amongst his peer group at school there was one SAHM .
Historically the work that women did was not acknowledged.
My GM and aunts were all officially housewives but they worked by taking in lodgers, cleaning,ironing,child minding etc
My Mil ( 86) and my DM( 90) were both teachers

It is a myth that 25 years ago many families still had only one parent working. Maybe this was the case in the 1950s?

By 1970, stats suggest around 55% of women worked.

There has been a rise in the number of families with mothers working. Some stats suggest around 66% of mother were working in 2000, compared to around 75% now. An increase but perhaps not as significant as is often suggested here, where younger posters seem to think they are the first generation to work full time and that none of their peers work part-time whilst raising families.

The number of women working part time has remained fairly constant since the 1960s.

I’m frustrated to keep reading how easy it was to buy a house and raise a family in one wage only 25 years ago. That is total nonsense and spouted in ignorance. The statistics show it might have been slightly easier, but the younger generation are ill informed to apply such a swathing generalisation. There were some people who achieved this (34%) if the single wage was sufficient. That is true today also (25%). But the majority worked. Recognising this might make you feel slightly less dissatisfied.

I'm not going to get bogged down by this topic

You brought the topic up in the first place!

I'm not going to get bogged down by this topic, because I know where that will go. I mentioned it as a legitimate concern which is why Reform did so well in the local elections. Two marches took place a week ago and only one saw the PM talk about thuggery. That was his chance to be impartial and condone all potential violent activity during both marches. He's doing a great job for Reform. This thread is about the cost of living crisis and which the PM doesn't seem to have at the top of his agenda. Great that Arsenal won the Premier league though 👏 🙄

He's hanging on a thread. At least he's pleased that Arsenal won the league though.

Everything had gone up noticeably. My weekly food shop is so expensive I’ve no idea how people on lower wages manage.
However in my city on weekends every bar is rammed and you have to book restaurants the week before or you can’t get a table. Hairdressers and beauty salons and aesthetics clinics are booked. I went on holiday recently and the flight was full there and back as was the resort and town. It’s been that way since after Covid. Clearly people have money and the are spending it. Or they don’t have money and are spending it anyway who knows.

They have a leader.
The Conservatives had
David Cameron: Dec 2005 – Jul 2016
Theresa May: Jul 2016 – Jul 2019
Boris Johnson: Jul 2019 – Sep 2022
Liz Truss: Sep 2022 – Oct 2022
Rishi Sunak: Oct 2022 – Nov 2024
On average a new one every 2 years they were in power.
Kier is holding up quite well relatively

Agree!
Add the H2B loans inflating property prices on shoddy , thrown up new builds, we havent seen the start of that fallout yet

Two tier intolerance among races and cultures

What do you mean by two tier intolerance?

he's done nothing to tackle the pro Palestinian protest marches which harbour oppressive material

We have freedom of speech, but Starmer has now said he could take action.

I'm saying some representatives of Islam as with other cultures, seem to have things more leniently

Again, I don't know what you mean by this? Can you give examples?

I also wanted to remind posters that individual posts can simply get suppressed if it looks like a one-off mistake - it takes a lot for Mumsnet to ban an account.

There's a lot we can all do to ensure this place continues as a productive, interesting, informative platform for sharing knowledge.

Out of their depth but that's what happens when you put socialists in charge of money.

Oh good another standard right wing response to avoid actually engaging with facts. Which page of "Right Wing Responses For Dummy's" does that one come from?

Firstly neither the Blair / Brown govenrment or the current one are socialist in the way you imply. They are democratic socialists which means they embrace capitalism and the free market but understand the importance of good public services.

Secondly I gave you hard data to show that the 97 - 2010 Labour government performed better than the Tories that came before and after them - you said stop focusing on the past it is about the current government.

So I gave you hard data which showed that even after two years the current government are already performing better in terms of growth and services than their predecessors.

Both sets of data show the opposite of Labour being bad with public finances.

I also said in that post I knew you still wouldn't engage and would just find another way to obfuscate.

Seems I was right.

Two tier intolerance among races and cultures. For all the talk of Starmer and his fight against anti-semitism he's done nothing to tackle the pro Palestinian protest marches which harbour oppressive material. The Muslim vote is very important to the Labour Party. I've seen that written plenty of times on MN. I'm not saying Islam is the problem, I'm saying some representatives of Islam as with other cultures, seem to have things more leniently. See the Agfhan refugee thread for similar views to mine. Im sure those sincere posters would welcome the support.

Could you explain what you mean by "appeasing Islam" please?

Crack on. A great way of stifling opinions you don't want to hear. I haven't spotted any hate speech. 'Sincere' posters always seeing racism whenever Islam is mentioned are part of the UK's problem. Instead, let's get people cancelled by banning them. The wonderful tolerant left.

I just wanted to remind sincere posters to report posts containing hate speech, personal attacks and which seem unlikely to be from genuine posters.

Oh here we go. My true colours are red white and blue. The same that this government is meant to represent.